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Post by darrenvox on Oct 18, 2012 21:17:58 GMT
unless they have been painted and upladed and i havent seen them then please point me the way to these paintjobs for the KC-135 or just basic 707-340 by hjg tinyurl.com/9qfo7coand for the B720 tinyurl.com/95fnx7q(dont worry about the addpons and stuff) i want to make both of these aircraft ai of the CAF (what used to be the Canadian Armed Forces) enjoy |
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Post by christrott on Oct 18, 2012 22:08:18 GMT
The CC-137s could be done as they are 707-320C's. Only 2 were configured with the air refueling pods (c/n 20317 & 20318), so the other 3 (c/n 20315, 20316, and 20319) had the same scheme without pods and the 707-320C is indeed modeled in the confirguration which the RCAF operated them. More pics of the 5 CC-137s can be seen here - www.canadianwings.com/Aircraft/aircraftDetail.php?CC-137-97Interestingly, the last 3 CC-137s were sold to the USAF for E-8 J-STARS conversions in the 1990's. The first two went to civilian operators, one to Connie Kalitta as N803CK, and one to a cargo operator in Honduras. The Honeywell B720 has been requested before and has been declined because HJG considers just doing a repaint to be a "fictional" repaint as it is not really representative of the actual aircraft and its many modifications to support engine testing. |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 18, 2012 22:28:54 GMT
HJG "usually" prides itself on "accuracey/authenticity" first and foremost.
Meaning .... that unless the correct 3D model version, with all the necessary bits'n'pieces/bumps'n'bulges (etc) is actually available, then it will, normally (and with very few exceptions) avoid representing a particular/aircraft/livery subhect.
The attitude being .... if it's not "resonably authentic" (again with very few exceptions") .... then there's really not much point in applying/wasting time to represent ait at all.
There are some C/KC155 aircraft operated by military services around the world and which are .... "basically" .... more-or-less standard B707-320C airframes without things like underwing tip tanks/probes (etc) .... like some of those which have been operated by the RCAF, and RAAF, and which "ARE" represented by HJG and located within the "B707-320C" downloasds section, but, there's also a lot that "do" have these features .... like "some" (not all) of those operated by the FUERZA AEREA DE COLOMBIA (until fairly recently) .... but ... which aren't/can't/haven't been represented for reason of HJG's preference, which again, is principally due to, current, lack of the "CORRECT 3D MODEL VERSION/S".
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 18, 2012 22:29:49 GMT
Sorry Chris  .... looks like we both collided at the same intersection ;D Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by darrenvox on Oct 19, 2012 0:23:26 GMT
The CC-137s could be done as they are 707-320C's. Only 2 were configured with the air refueling pods (c/n 20317 & 20318), so the other 3 (c/n 20315, 20316, and 20319) had the same scheme without pods and the 707-320C is indeed modeled in the confirguration which the RCAF operated them. More pics of the 5 CC-137s can be seen here - www.canadianwings.com/Aircraft/aircraftDetail.php?CC-137-97Interestingly, the last 3 CC-137s were sold to the USAF for E-8 J-STARS conversions in the 1990's. The first two went to civilian operators, one to Connie Kalitta as N803CK, and one to a cargo operator in Honduras. The Honeywell B720 has been requested before and has been declined because HJG considers just doing a repaint to be a "fictional" repaint as it is not really representative of the actual aircraft and its many modifications to support engine testing. i will look at the 320C version in hjg downloads... but as the N803CK you mentioned is a dc-8 not a 707, yes i know the similarites... i want more of the rcaf done, and i have see that someone posted a paint of it but its for the captainsim 707, but i like the hjg one just doesnt have the rcaf 707 painted up |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 19, 2012 1:30:02 GMT
From the HJG "B707-320B" downloads section .... the following are all of the B707-320B's with "basic" military applications that are represented .... the following is one of the "very few" HJG exceptions to the rule in that its not 100% accurate, in terms of it's current model assignment, since (I think) the actual aircraft was P&W JT8D-217/219 fan powered rather than P&W JT3D-3B fan powered .... OMEGA AIR2006- N707AR - 707-321B Textures by Dan Fontan Last Updated: 07 Apr 2008  From the HJG "B707-320C" downloads section .... the following are all of the military operated B707-320's currently represented .... and most of which fall into the category of being VIP/transports hence their representation among the B707-320C inventory. CANADIAN ARMED FORCES1994 - 13702 - CC-137 Textures by Michael Verlin Last Updated: 05 Jun 2006  FUERZA AEREA ARGENTINA1991 - TC-91- 707-387C Textures by Camilo Luengas Last Updated: 18 Dec 2009  FUERZA AEREA ESPANOLA1994 - T.17-3 - 707-368C Textures by Ben Hartmann Last Updated: 08 May 2008  FUERZA AEREA DEL PERU1990 - FAP-319 - 707-323C Textures by Eduardo Rocha Last Updated: 03 Jan 2008  FUERZA AEREA DEL PERU1995 - FAP-319 - 707-323C Textures by Eduardo Rocha Last Updated: 03 Jan 2008  FUERZA AEREA COLOMBIANA1998 - FAC-1201 - 707-373C Textures by Ben Hartmann Last Updated: 09 Apr 2008 _fac_1201_1998.jpg) LUFTWAFFE1998 - 10 + 02 - 707-307C Textures by Ben Hartmann Last Updated: 01 Mar 2007  NATO2005 - LX-N 19997 - 707-307C Textures by Tony Madge Last Updated: 16 Nov 2006  ROYAL AUSTRALIAN AIR FORCE1991 - A20-627 - 707-338C Textures by Ben Hartmann  ROYAL AUSTRALIAN AIR FORCE2006 - A20-623 - 707-338C Textures by Ben Hartmann Last Updated: 18 Dec 2009  ROYAL AUSTRALIAN AIR FORCE2008 - A20-624 - 707-338C Textures by Ben Hartmann Last Updated: 18 Dec 2009  From the HJG "B720" (nit B720-B) downloads section .... the following are all of the military operated B720's currently represented .... and once again ..... the following is also another one of the "very few" HJG exceptions to the rule in that it's not 100% accurate, in terms of its current model assignment, since I think the actual aircraft was fitted with a number of external aerials/sensors not available in the assigned model. BOEING ASW TEST1976 - N40102 - 720-025 Textures by Ben Hartmann Last Updated: 14 Jan 2008  Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by garryrussell on Oct 19, 2012 8:44:42 GMT
Mark
You mention C/KC-155 as being used by some military and being 707-320C, you are meaning I guse C/KC-135, but that would not be 707's. They will be C/KC-137.
Darren
You mention you kjnow the similarities between a DC 8 and a Boeing 707...what would they be???.... as the two types are nothing at all alike.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 19, 2012 12:45:25 GMT
When I do that .... I do so (intentionally) for reasons of "basic convenience/ease of identity" only (for those whom know less) .... in that most people know that the B707 designation is "civil nomenclature" .... whereas the C/KC series are "military designations".
It becomes confusing for those whom know less .... because there are any number of civil B707's which have ended up in military VIP service .... and then assume military designations.
In the case of the true B707 and C/KC series aircraft .... they actually share little in common (technically/structurally/performance-wise) other than the fact that they mostly "LOOK SIMILAR" .... but .... that's where the similarities start/end.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by garryrussell on Oct 19, 2012 12:56:13 GMT
Indeed mark...but 707 are always 137 and 717-100 are always -135
That was my point as it was linking the 707 to the 135.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 19, 2012 23:10:55 GMT
Not necessarily .... and it's only in regard to the B707-320C I'm referring to.
Some .... upon entering military service (primarily those used as VIP/personell transports) .... retained their civil designators and continued to be referred to as such .... whereas others, either built and delivered or later reconfigured according to military specifications, were re-designated.
AND IN ANY CASE .... AND ONCE AGAIN .... I, intentionally, apply the said nomenclature "loosely" .... simply for my earlier/above-stated reason.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by christrott on Oct 20, 2012 18:04:27 GMT
but as the N803CK you mentioned is a dc-8 not a 707, yes i know the similarites... There were 2 N803CK's. One, the DC-8-54F that was retired in the 1980's and the ex-RCAF CC-137 which was only registered with Connie for a few months in 1994 before moving on to Race Aviation in Honduras. jetphotos.net/census/aircraft2.php?msnid=707-20315 |
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.... looks like we both collided at the same intersection ;D