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Post by tonycoolbek on Feb 15, 2013 8:32:21 GMT
To whom this may concern,
First let me start by saying that I am a big fan and user of your aircraft. I find the models to be some of the best freeware aircraft around. That being said I noticed that for the L1011-50 series that you had American Trans Air in all of the liveries except the last livery, which some where repainted as before ATA went under.
I would like to know or suggest that this livery in time be added to the wonderful collection of liveries in your data base. As far as FSX goes I am a big collector of having every model and paint scheme of the airlines I collect and the flag livery from the ATA L1011 is one of those I would to be able to see up and flying.
Thank you for your time and concentration as well as great work.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2013 14:14:06 GMT
Tony,
I am baffled. Why is it called flag livery if I do not see any flag in that photo that you enclosed here via your thread post?
Aharon
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Post by fitch on Feb 15, 2013 20:16:47 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 15, 2013 22:39:34 GMT
Unless "AN ATA L1011" actually supported the "full definitive" variation of that particular livery" .... as is displayed on that B737-800 in your clarification post (and I'm not sure that any did) .... then there's probably no point in reprenting it at all .... because it would simply, then, fall into the categeory of "FAKE/WHAT IF" liveries which HJG does not do. No harm in any one of the painters doing it though .... "as a private request and for for uploaing outside of HJG" .... "IF" any of them wanted to do that   Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Feb 16, 2013 0:15:11 GMT
Well, I can tell you for certain that it didn't :-) so Mark is absolutely right in saying that this would be a 'What-If'
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Post by tonycoolbek on Feb 16, 2013 0:59:56 GMT
Yes that is true. The aircraft did not have the flag logo on it but was painted in the main scheme colors. I flew on ATA a lot back in the day actually and I do recall seeing a few in that livery/ scheme. Though I yield to point that it was not main stream as they where phasing out the L1011s for the DC10s which where ex northwest, and which ended in hybrid livery, though with the ATA logo on the tail.
Though I disagree that it is a what-if scheme as they actually where some flying with this scheme, and I noticed some repaints for Airtran Boeing 717 only had 1 plane with that livery in service past/ present, and I know of at least two Tristars in that same hybrid livery, which is why I asked.
I wouldn't mind if it wasn't added for those reasons, but as Mr. Mark C. pointed out if anyone had time or was able to do an of shoot on it as a private request I would be very appreciative, but if that's not possible no hard feelings. I just thought it would be interesting to see that livery on the model I have with the other liveries.
Either way, thank you for you're time and consideration. You guys do a great job these aircraft and the repaint for them and if I know of another livery that I've seen out flying on one of these models I'll be sure to suggest it, for example on the MD80s I don't think I saw Spirit Airlines original livery they had back at the turn of century 10 years back but maybe I just over looked it. If not I'll repost about it.
I enjoy seeing liveries that did fly at one point, be they mainstream or not just for the variety, but I understand, like I said the quality controls you guys put in which is why a lot of who use FS4 and FSX keep coming back for more.
keep up they great work
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 16, 2013 8:34:50 GMT
The thing is though .... I've never seen photographic evidence of the "definitive" (final) version of this "Flag" livery ever having been qpplied to any ATA L1011 aircraft (despite the fact that other aircraft types in the ATA fleet did support it) .... and which is why, until now, I, at least, regard it as a "FAKE/WHAT IF" livery. No problem Though "TONYCOOLBECK" .... and your general sentiments "ARE" very much appreciated anyway  Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Oct 1, 2013 15:00:41 GMT
Brought this one back to life... Did this livery actually sit on the L-1011? If so I will do it, but if its just a what if then sorry I haven't the time to do it.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 1, 2013 16:00:06 GMT
WELL .... I think the answer to this still remains as previously posted (above) .... in that no ATA L1011´s ever supported the airlines final/"flag" scheme. The following L1011-500 image (N162AT) may have fooled "some folk" in to believing that they did, but, a "careful reading" of the accompanying text seems to "suggest" that "this particular image" is actually "a fake" .... an "impression" (only) as to how these aircraft might have looked had this particular livery been applied to the ATA L1011 fleet .... or whatever remnained of it by the time it began be introduced .... www.flickr.com/photos/mdl_photography/3236408437/This is as close as any of the airlines L1011´s ever got to supporting the final/"flag" based ATA livery (compare this photo with the "bullnuts" image linked above) ....  A variation of this "flag" livery was, apparently, applied to at least 1 of the ex NORTHWEST AIRLINES DC10-30´s (N702TZ) operatated by ATA ....  .... along with some of the airlines B737´s ....  .... and some of its B757´s too ....  .... BUT .... nothing else .... "so fas I´m aware" Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Oct 2, 2013 3:43:26 GMT
Cheers Mark, that clears it up  |
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Post by christrott on Oct 2, 2013 15:55:23 GMT
The L-1011's never sported the "flag" livery for a simple reason- they weren't in line service by the time the livery was introduced. The remaining 2 L1011's in the fleet were being used solely for charter work, and so the "flag" was intentionally left off after they removed the "Hawaii" tail from them to denote the aircraft as part of the charter fleet. At least 2 DC-10s also received this modified livery. I got the info direct from one of their Charter Operations guys when they were based at DFW International and I was doing more research for Erick's L1011.
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Oct 3, 2013 7:50:50 GMT
Thanks for this Chris, it is a shame they didnt carry the later livery.
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Post by christrott on Oct 3, 2013 14:37:18 GMT
Well, there was a good reason. They eventually even removed the ATA titles as you show above because they were engaged in DoD charter work into Iraq and Afghanistan and by removing all the titles it made it harder for people looking from a distance to identify who the operator was, reducing risk to the operators. There were several, not well covered, cases where charter operators had aircraft vandalized or damaged outside of the operation areas by people who opposed the operations in those countries.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 3, 2013 15:14:09 GMT
"ALL" of which .... is stated within the URL provided within my last posting on this subject a couple of days ago .... Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by tonycoolbek1 on Dec 20, 2014 3:21:16 GMT
Hmm looking back now I probably should have said stripe version^^ As the Final ATA L1011s I saw flying never had the flag on the tail but had the basic Colors of it's Flag Livery as wiki called it during their final years of having it in operation. Grant it only 3 or 4 ever got that livery the rest of the fleet ending in the desert for scrap and parts for the remaining ones. cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/9/5/2049591.jpgI will say that even though I main never see this livery in FSX I am amazed at the level of detail and debate that goes into making the liveries for HJG/ The criteria even among paint schemes which actually flew, but which never where main streamed or where special liveries or one time liveries and would like to thank you for taking the time to research the information about this. You guys are very dedicated to historical aircraft and details and shows in your work. Yes it may be faster and easier perhaps to have just made it, but that would do dishonor to the skill and great quality of the liveries for HJG. Not every livery can do. Again thank you for taking the time to carefully look over my referral. All the best. |
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