Help needed please !

[Jetranger]

Nov 5, 2015 4:14:43 GMT Jetranger said:

Jetranger here ,,,,

I was wondering "IF" anybody here at HJG / Historic Jetliners Group / has any "Experience" with using A.I. Flight Planner

What I'm trying to do is, somewhat "populate" add A.I. Aircraft to 1 or 2 particular Airports only.

reason is there is none currently

and since its kinda a Unique Airport, I'm wanting to add particular A.I. Aircraft only to those Airports

Aircrafts I have in mind are the HJG DC8's and some 707's if I can find some AI's of those on the net and a few A.I. L-1011's

I've never used A.I. Flight Planner, but just reading the manual that came with it, took me 3 hours, I'd imagine it'll take me another 3 or 4 months to figure out how to "Correctly" use it !!

so far I've invested about 10 to 12 hours in reading and watching A.I. Flight planner supposed tutorials on line, which really aren't very good nor helpful.

another thing I'm totally confused on at this moment is rather I can use A.I. Flight planner to inject some of HJG A.I. Aircraft into the Airports I have in mind ?

I already know I have to configure routes and a time table for them

But I've got a lotta questions, before and as I begin this A.I. Quest / Journey to populate these 2 Airports

*** SKY VECTOR ICAO LINK

so, any of you hands out there got any Experience using that A.I. Flight Planner and are super knowledgable about it ?

Currently using : FSX Gold / Acceleration edition / 64 bit

Flight Planner Link A.I. Flight Planner


AKESOFT Airport Scenery


Thanks ~ Jetranger

[Herman]

If you have already not done so, may I suggest contacting Tom at calclassic.com.
I would say he has tonnes of experience with about that Topic.

Herman

[tristar]

Hi Jetranger.

I have not used that product, so I can't help you.

Have you tried Googling for help with A.I. Flight planner??

All my flight planning has been done using the old fashioned way of typing in a real timetable into Excel, and then using the MRAI compiler and TT tools to generate the flight plans.
I also have not used this for a couple of years either. But, you can make schedules up this way.

Here is an example of a real right plan in Excel.

Attachment Deleted

I can't show you the rest of the process as I don't have the relevant programs installed at the moment.  

As long as you have flight 1 going to B and then returning to A etc. it will work with the above tools. Tom can probably help more than me.


Paul

[Jetranger]

Thanks , I'm still in research & investigate mode before using this program, it looks like a good program, just hard to learn, definetly a learning curve to it, NOT a quick 15 or 30 minute program to learn.

with this it says it'll do it all, shouldn't need TT Tools or have to mess with excel, which I know nothing about.


heres some videos on the A.I. Traffic planner program.

[tgibson]

Hi,

I use AITM 2 for my AI Traffic needs (I started using it years ago and still use it today) but it is only for FS9, not FSX.

For AIFP, I don't have the latest version but this should work OK:

1. Open AIFP.
2. Choose Flight Plans/Open FP Editor
3. Choose Aircraft/Add Single Aircraft to List
4. Click: by Title, etc.
5. Select your desired aircraft from the list
6. Click Use Selected
7. Click Add to/Update Aircraft List
8. Repeat steps 4 to 7 for each aircraft you want in this traffic file, increasing the AC# by one for each plane.
9. Click the red X in the upper right corner of the Aircraft Editor box.
10. Click Start New FP button (lower right).
11. Select a plane from the Aircraft List drop down box.
12. Click a repeat period and IFR/VFR radio buttons
13. Fill in the following:
a. Flight No. (if an airline flight, otherwise use 0)
b. From: the ICAO code of the departure airport (i.e. KSAN)
c. Departure Time: the time of departure (i.e. 10:30) - this is GMT unless you have chosen something else in the Time Zone drop down box.
d. To: ICAO of arrival airport.
e. Override ETA: if you have an airline schedule and wish to enter an arrival time, do it here. Otherwise leave it blank.
f. Alt: enter the flight level (i.e. 200 = 20,000 ft)
g. FN or Reg.: If an airline flight using a flight number, choose FN, if not choose Reg.
14. Click Save Edits.
15. If you have another leg for this plane, press the Add Leg button at the right, and repeat steps 13 (a through g) and 14. (Unless the departure and arrival airports are the same, you will need to have at least two legs, and the first departure airport of the first leg must be the same as the last arrival airport of the last leg).
16. Repeat step 15 until all legs have been added.
17. Click the Add FP to List button. You can fix any errors later, but make sure you do not have any arrivals scheduled before the arrival within any leg, and no arrivals scheduled after the departure of the next leg.
18. Repeat steps 11 through 17 for each aircraft you want to fly in your traffic file. You can have multiple flight plans for a given aircraft type. Each flight plan will create one AI aircraft in FS.
19. Choose Files/Save File Set As... and save the file set into a folder you have prepared (or create). I use the AIFP/Traffic Files folder if it is present, or you can create it.
20. Choose Files/Compile Traffic Files and Save, enter the location for the BGL file, enter the desired name of the compiled BGL file, and press Compile.
21. If you didn't compile to an active scenery folder, copy the resulting BGL file and paste into an active scenery folder (into the scenery subfolder).

Hope this helps,

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

"THANKS" Tom

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[tristar]

Thanks Tom.

I'll give it ago once I get the chance, been a while since I did some flight plans.

I must get around to completing FedEx 1993. About half done, but not touched for over two years

Paul

[michael]

Hi Jetranger, AIFP3 is the product I use for AI and I can tell you that reading and watching videos is just going to give you a headache. The best thing you can do is dive in and experiment with the program you will quickly learn as I did. The program has many functions like converting ai from different flight sims, displaying ai timetables from any aiport etc etc, I have not used every function the product has but if you get stuck just pm me.

[Jetranger]

12/7/2015

Thanks Tom Gibson - for all that valuable information !

Since I posted the Question tho, I did sum Digging around and I accidentlally ran across this A.I. Freeware Program, that'll populate any A.I. Airport as well as any of your current flyable Aircraft in your regular Aircraft list and it also allows you to populate , any Airport in your Simulator FSX or 2004.

Took me about 2 hours to kinda figure it out , but it does work, alright - I have aircraft I've Never had before flying and landing at Airports that never had these aircraft, including some of my payware Aircraft too that became A.I.

Now it only uses & makes copies of GA Aircraft only !!

Then I also learned a little trick in some forum somewhere, where I could take ALL the A.I. Aircraft out away from my main Aircraft folder and create a NEW folder, named AlAircraft or whatever name ya want to identify your A.I. Planes and inject all the A.I. Aircraft into that 1 new folder within the main Aircraft folder.

Then it instructed me to go and edit a section of the main FSX CFG File with some additional text in a certain section - which I did.

Presto' it actually worked !

The program even creates and writes new flight plans for the new A.I. Aircraft without me having to figure it out, the times and all that stuff.

I'd seriously Flunk at having to do that now , I'd probably score an F- on a grade card !!!

I've got aircraft like never before now including some propliners I've never had before flying.

several of my payware and FREEWARE aircraft now flying landing and or parked at airports too !

I was still able to keep the Traffic X installed and use those A.I. Aircraft too.

It allows you to custom pick what Aircraft you have in your sim too, you want to populate an airport with and will clearly identify which ones are available and which ones aren't to use as A.I. planes.

and it allows you to choose the hourly type return of the A.I. aircraft to land at a particular airport of your choosing.

I found this program by accident , not sure if it'd work really, but it did, I still have a few things to learn about it .

I will post screen shots of the actual program, and make a video for ya'll to see, in time.

and right now off the top of my head I can't remember the exact name of it, but i'll dig it up, later and let ya'll know.

I got 1 project I was workin on out of the way, finished up another a few hours ago and now I got 1 more project to finish for some member on here wantin the paint of that caravelle HJG Group,, I'll be getting it packaged up to upload to simviation sometime this week.

OK ya'll thanks for the advice and input, much appreciated !!!

De' Jetranger ~ !!

[tgibson]

Hi,

I forget about that GA Traffic program, because I'm usually trying to make the plane fly a real airline schedule. Glad it worked out well for you.

[Jetranger]

Haaaaa'

I posted this clear back in 2015

here it is "2018",,, 3 years ago and to this day I Still can't get 1 HJG "A.I." DC-8 to show Up anywhere in my FSX Sim,,, using Don Grovestine's,, AIFP Program

Somewhere,,,, maybe, wouldn't bank on it , there might maybe, I Dunno', the "HJG Braniff 1965 bright orange A.I. Jetliner" tooling around out there in the skies, but in 3 years I haven't ever seen it ?

I see the AI on the HJG Web Site, bout' it !

for the last 12 hours now I been tinkering around with that AIFP Program and re'reading the PDF Manual like 13 times,,,,, and to NO avail , NOT 1 DC-8 Shows up

Lets see its 2018 now,,, in 3 more years it'll be 2021 ~ !!!!!

I'll have to come back to this thread and let ya'll know the results , if I ever got that 1 Plane to show up,, as an "A.I. Aircraft",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, After 6 Years of fartin with that AIFP Program !!!

See everybody in 3 more Years,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

There's no reason why it shouldn't display .... other than (simple) misconfiguration within FS itself .

I think most postings on the HJG forum are acknowledged more than adequately .... and I feel this one has been since it was first presented 3 years ago .... BUT .... as best we, and our community, try to advise there are "rare occasions" where we can't fix everybody's issue .... regardless how we try

I'll mention it to Paul .... in the hope he can further advise (since he's our AI manager/representative) .... but again .... there's no reason why it shouldn't display save for some form of minor misconfiguration during your installation process.

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[tristar]

Feb 25, 2018 9:53:07 GMT Jetranger said:

Haaaaa'

I posted this clear back in 2015

here it is "2018",,, 3 years ago and to this day I Still can't get 1 HJG "A.I." DC-8 to show Up anywhere in my FSX Sim,,, using Don Grovestine's,, AIFP Program

Somewhere,,,, maybe, wouldn't bank on it , there might maybe, I Dunno', the "HJG Braniff 1965 bright orange A.I. Jetliner" tooling around out there in the skies, but in 3 years I haven't ever seen it ?

I see the AI on the HJG Web Site, bout' it !

for the last 12 hours now I been tinkering around with that AIFP Program and re'reading the PDF Manual like 13 times,,,,, and to NO avail , NOT 1 DC-8 Shows up

Lets see its 2018 now,,, in 3 more years it'll be 2021 ~ !!!!!

I'll have to come back to this thread and let ya'll know the results , if I ever got that 1 Plane to show up,, as an "A.I. Aircraft",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, After 6 Years of fartin with that AIFP Program !!!

See everybody in 3 more Years,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Hi JetRanger (A or B model? )

OK, if you don't see any of the DC-8's at all. Did you look at the help file in this section??

Ai Help File

Like all aircraft UI or AI it needs the name etc to match what is in the flight plan.

What I do (well did as I has not added any AI for years now), was to nominate an airport in the middle of nowhere, add lots of parking and make a flight plan to and from this airfield. I would then duplicate this and add all the AI planes needed in the real flight plan and see if they showed up, and also had textures etc.
It was always down to me making an error in the cfg if it did not work.
Putting a space at the beginning of the name was the hardest to spot, and every plane after that would also fail to show.
Have a look on Avsim etc to see if some one has already made an AI testing airport. Like Mark. I have FS9, and don't use FSX either.

The main thing is to make sure that the aircraft show up in the sim, so try several airline variations and you should have them appear.
Also, I did not hide the aircraft from being selected, so please make sure that its showing up in the sim aircraft selection as well.
If not, then it must be a cfg error. My favourite one in FS9 is during development you do end up changing the sim name when the FDE is being worked on.
and if you don't change it in the cfg, the aircraft name shows up but it no preview, and selecting it causes the sim to crash.

If you only have one plane it might not be easy to find in the flight plan, but if its at the testing station, you should see it.

So to recap. Does it show up in the normal aircraft selection window, and is the aircraft name matching in the flight plan.

If you can make an AI testing airport, that will also make things easier.

Let me know how you get on.

Best regards.

Paul

[Falcon]

I use the AIFP Program in FSX, and I have no problem putting aircraft at a certain aerodrome. One thing to remember, you must have parking available, and

make sure that the Aircraft.cfg file has specific instructions on where you want it to be,ie Ramp, Gate, Cargo Ramp. Of course the airport must have those

parking spots available. If you run out of room, the AI will not show up. First load the Aircraft, under aircraft menue of AIFP. Either select single

aircraft or Bulk. Then load those airplanes.Then go under Flight PLans and load the plan, making sure times are correct and don't overlap etc. It will warn

you if you need to edit the times these arrive and leave and where they are planned to go. If you place an aircraft on a specific airfield, and then plan

it to go somewhere, it has to come back if you want to see it again. I suspect for 3 years your a/c is parked somewhere out there in the flt sim digital

world!


Falcon

[Jetranger]

Guess I'll just have to make a Lengthy VIDEO, showing what I've done so far, since theres no way to post photos / screen shots anymore in these forums, and I'm NOT going thru the effort to find another photo hosting site to upload photos to, just to link photos to this forum board !

This is a very very very mundane way of doing things this day & age , almost as if I've stepped back in the early to mid 1990's.

Stay tuned, eventually I'll get around to posting a video, when I've got time,,, might be a while,,,,,