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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Feb 28, 2017 6:08:37 GMT
A great campaign to bring home to New Zealand 5 aircraft that are part of NZ history.
Please watch....
Nathan.
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Post by christrott on Mar 1, 2017 4:46:23 GMT
A very ambitious project, all I'll say is that out of the 5, maybe 2 are reasonably possible to - the 737 and the L.188. Beyond that, the airframes are either too far gone or too large to relocate, even with extensive disassembly. The other problem you run into is parts for restoration once you get them back. The DC-8 and L.188 both require "de-conversion" from freighter/firebomber configuration as well, which makes for even more work as you'd have to remove the cargo doors or at least "deactivate" and seal them so you could put the windows and interior back in.
I understand the want for actual airframes with history in NZ, but I think the project would have a better chance of getting all 5 if the realization that exact airframes might not be the way to go and instead getting representative airframes still complete or mostly complete that could be flown in for preservation. I think the focus should be more on the story told and less on what is used to tell it. This is very true of most museum aircraft - they're painted/configured to tell a certain story and not necessarily the story of that particular airframe.
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Mar 2, 2017 21:52:59 GMT
Looks like they are making progress on a few of the aircraft  |
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Post by pukeko on Mar 19, 2017 8:22:46 GMT
A very ambitious project, all I'll say is that out of the 5, maybe 2 are reasonably possible to - the 737 and the L.188. Beyond that, the airframes are either too far gone or too large to relocate, even with extensive disassembly. The other problem you run into is parts for restoration once you get them back. The DC-8 and L.188 both require "de-conversion" from freighter/firebomber configuration as well, which makes for even more work as you'd have to remove the cargo doors or at least "deactivate" and seal them so you could put the windows and interior back in. I understand the want for actual airframes with history in NZ, but I think the project would have a better chance of getting all 5 if the realization that exact airframes might not be the way to go and instead getting representative airframes still complete or mostly complete that could be flown in for preservation. I think the focus should be more on the story told and less on what is used to tell it. This is very true of most museum aircraft - they're painted/configured to tell a certain story and not necessarily the story of that particular airframe. I can't be inclined to agree with using similar airframes with a non NZ history when the actual airframe still exists. Using another airframe to tell the story should only be done when it's fully impossible to procure an example of the genuine or non existent, as is the case say with long gone aircraft, eg the P51D Mustang in TAF colours at Wigram despite having no history here, but given no genuine TAF example is available then this is fine. In the case of the DC-8 especially so given it's poignancy in our national history, and that it out survived the other ex ANZ DC-8s by decades. It was a royal carrier etc as well, in 1974, HM the Queen. While there's no question it's not in the best of order sitting in the tropic so long, the aircraft is dismantle-able. She has been there since 2004, but given that a L1049 Super Constellation sat derelict at Manila for 25 years in very similar climate plus a good deal of pollution, but has been purchased, dismantled and shipped to QFOM for display as a Qantas craft, gives an idea. A DC-8, though a good deal bigger can surely be retrieved from the Amazons. There has been previous attempts to get this machine back, but it boiled down to the airport authorities being an issue, but this time the Embassy is involved and is going great strokes. As goes components there are a lot of boneyards that can yield bits, especially required for the 737 that has sat there since 1991. The DC-8 is basically externally complete except for one engine. Time expired JT8D-7 engines flaps etc to make a display aircraft. The alteration from a freighter question, the door would not be able to be removed etc, unplugging the windows I'm not sure of as yet. But the Qantas 707-100 is not dead accurate to the way it was when Qantas owned it as goes windows config but this hasn't stopped it becoming a genuine artififact historic airframe to Qantas history. The main purpose of this project is to get the airframes there, along with components. At the least a portion of cabins could be restored by raiding bone yards, failing that perhaps some sort of display inside. another idea might be to put a themed restaurant inside it, putting it to use would help pay some of the huge bills. Other countries have abley saved large aircraft, and in regards to the DC-8 I imagine any other series 52 has also long since stopped flying, so it should be NZC or not. These will say more to my words...the latest video update. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y94iKYhbIY |
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Post by pukeko on Mar 19, 2017 8:24:18 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Mar 22, 2017 19:39:33 GMT
I've remained "quiet" .... until now .... despite my own private communication with Paul BRENNAN whom I do know personally  In the meantime .... a bit more "POSITIVITY" .... MARCH 19TH UPDATEwww.youtube.com/watch?v=wAd6InIqf_MMARCH 21ST UPDATEwww.youtube.com/watch?v=ImXY98fn-iUIf anyone, at all, can possibly bring this campaign to a successful conclusion (promoting is thie concept/purpose behind Paul's drive .... "sowing the seed" so to speak) .... THEN .... Paul's probably the person whom may "SUCCESSFULLY" be able to do so There's a hell of a lot of work to be done ... and the task is (almost dauntingly) huge, but, I do, sincerely, wish Paul luck, and success, with this promotion Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Mar 26, 2017 4:28:09 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Mar 29, 2017 23:00:12 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Apr 10, 2017 8:00:55 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Apr 14, 2017 1:32:16 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Apr 23, 2017 5:10:48 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 4, 2017 0:17:22 GMT
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on May 6, 2017 9:59:01 GMT
It's all getting really exciting, it's such a shame about the 747-200's. I don't know if there are any parts, engine cowlings, wheel assemblies, anything that the could find off the original aircraft. At least it would be something they could hang a sign on.
Nathan.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 25, 2017 10:19:43 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 16, 2017 3:11:48 GMT
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.... but then again .... "GOOD/POSITIVE" news also ....