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Post by parkway on Apr 24, 2017 19:45:29 GMT
Hello,
I recently downloaded and installed the Boeing B727-100. When I was about to fly it for the first time I discovered that while the panel included a GPS, there was no way to access it for navigation.
I realize that the HJG attitude toward GPS navigation is that it considered new tech and therefore not always supported. Why is there a GPS in the panel if you can open it but not use it?
Toggling between NAV and GPS does not work with either a nav/gps switch or from a kln90bro. Furthermore, the theta button on the kln90bro opens the weather radar (as does the weather icon).
I have studied the cfg and panel files scrupulously and compared them with GPS-enabled similar aircraft and discovered nothing that suggests that this feature can be turned on or off.
Why does the GPS open from the battery icon instead of the usual GPS icon?
This is the only HJG aircraft (of many on my system) that exibits this problem - I've never seen it before.
Thank you for considering this problem.
Parkway
FS2004
Windows XP SP3
AMD Sempron 3400+
Integrated ATI Radeon Xpress 200
160GB / 512 MB
k/b, mouse, joystick
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Apr 24, 2017 22:26:43 GMT
I don't know what you've done to your B727-100 PANEL.CFG .... if you've done anything at all, but, what you describe is "not" what we provide. 1. There is no GPS selector tab in any of the HJG supplied B727-100 panels .... nor is there intended to be. 2. There is no NAV/GPS selector switch in any of the HJG supplied B727-100 panels .... and nor is there intended to be either .... and given the "intentional" absence of INS navigation facilities in some of our B727 panels this feature simply "is not" necessary". 3. There is no KLN90B facility built in any of the HJG supplied B727-100 panels .... or -200 panels .... and nor has there ever been either. 4. The Battery icon located on the main panel in all HJG supplied B727 panels opens/closes the DC Meter and Battery Switch sub Panel only .... but nothing else .... it has no relationship with the non-existent GPS and can't be used to open anything else either unless the CFG is physically edited/reconfigured to do so. 5. A Weather Radar unit "IS" provided in all HJG supplied B727-100/-200 panels and works fine/independently of anything else using its Main Panel located "WX" icon ("WX/INS" icon in the case of INS equipped B727-200 panels) .... or alternatively .... "SHIFT + 3" keyboard commands. 6. An FS Map Display feature "IS" incorporated into all HJG supplied B727-100/-200 panels and also works fine and independently of everything else using its Main Panel located icon (albeit using this feature temporarily pause FS as is the case with all other FS panels equipped with this particular feature) .... but ... it has no relationship whatsoever with the GPS facility provided in any FS panel .... HJG supplied or otherwise. 7. A NAV toggle switch "IS" featured within HJG supplied "INS equipped B727-200 panels only" (our B727-100 panels are intentionally not INS equipped) .... located on the overhead sub panel .... and which works in conjunction with the INS system featured within the separate combined Weather Radar and INS equipped sub panel (on INS equipped B727-200 panel versions only), so, any GPS related navigation switch or CFG reference likely relates to this INS function only and which subsititutes GPS through its similar functionality. It strikes me you've either unsuccessfully attempted to modify your B727 panel with other features .... OR .... have acquired a "non-HJG compiled/non-authorized" version of an HJG supplied panel (if so then it would interest us to know where that came from because what you describe is simply not what we provide here as part of our V2.0 B727 panel series re-released during late 2015) .... OR .... you're using "the wrong" B727 panel with your B727-100 aircraft base pack. The correct B727 panels "must" be used with each panel as is recommended within "SECTION 1.10/B727 PANEL ASSIGNMENTS" of our following linked forum based "B727 Panel Installation & Handling Notes" manual ..... tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/7819/b727-panels-installation-handling-notesGiven the panel/FDE relationship which exists with most HJG simulations failure to assign panels and aircraft base packs correctly (as recommended) "WILL" result in problems. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by walterleo on May 5, 2017 12:32:43 GMT
Hi Parkway:
If you want to use a very realistic GPS in FS9 (ONLY!) use the KLN90B of Project Tupolev. But you must have installed one of their airliners at least (Tu-154B2, Tu-154M or IL-62M) and by the autoinstaller provided by them. Then one could use the PT-KLN90B selecting KLN toggle and let fly it the airplane via its heading bug.
How it works is explained in the documentation of the Tus or Ils provided by Project Tupolev and one can use the orginal handbook published by KING RADIO.
Kind regards
Walter
P.S.: From historical viewpoint no B727-100 seems to have had the KLN90B when it left BOEING in Everett.
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Post by parkway on May 7, 2017 18:55:01 GMT
Hello Walterleo,
Thanks for the tip. I will definitely check that out - but not on a HJG aircraft!
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Post by guy on Sept 26, 2017 11:51:10 GMT
Hi all The original 727 panel by Richard Probst had the possibility to follow a default Gps flightplan. On the Roll-mode knob there was a supplementary position "Aux Nav" which permitted to follow Gps. It was quite practical for those not wishing to do VOR navigation. (even if maybe not "realistic") I miss it also !  |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 26, 2017 12:45:42 GMT
As mentioned above .... Our versions of the RP B727 panels (which are considerably more advanced than the original panels on which they were based) do not feature the default FS GPS system. It was reomoved by us to satisfy the "period/era" of panel we desired to recreate for our simulations (since none of these aircraft featured GPS until much later during their service) .... and which is an HJG preference in respect of the majority panels "we" produce or otherwise edit "to our specific requirements". It´s probably fair to say that HJG caters more for "a different/a particular" FS market .... in respect of those whom are quite conversant with the use of real world charts and the like of VOR to VOR navigation and whom therefore don´t need GPS assistance. I personally .... have never, ever, used any of the FS GPS facilities since these began to be implemented from FS2000 (I think it was) .... but .... that´s just "me" Most of our B727 panels (with the exception of those for the -100´s) are equipped with a "fully functional INS system" instead .... and which is more than adequate for most navigational purposes albeit this feature does need to be learned. The default FS MAP function remains a selectble feature of these panels though .... albeit that it does pause the simulation when interogated  Other features such as a "fully functional Weather Radar" were also incorporated into our versions of the original RP B727 panels (at the expense of the FS GPS) .... as well as "accurately callibrated engine type instrumention" for these B727 panels to be paired with their aircraft type/engine type panel options offered by us (details the original panels did not feature plus many other tidy-ups too) .... and which is the case for for almost all of the simulatuions we/HJG offer. We "will not" be reinstating the default FS GPS feature to any of these B727 panels. If people wish to install it/one (and it may still be possible to do this) .... then that´s enitrely up to them .... BUT .... we/HJG can cannot provide support for that or in regard to anything else that may be "bumped" as a possible consequence of their doing so. Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by walterleo on Sept 26, 2017 15:42:14 GMT
Hi:
FS-default flightplan has a serious drawback also trying to fly overwater routes. One can only program VFR direct and "flying" hours without doing anything is not the kind of simulation I would like to do.
If one does not belief me try to "file an IFR FS-flightplan" from Madrid to Mexico City and FS will send you via Brazil. Besides no B 727-100 could do that flight without "inflight refueling".
Kind regards
Walter
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Post by guy on Sept 28, 2017 11:46:53 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 28, 2017 15:01:52 GMT
"INERESTING" .... but .... as I hinted within my earlier reply .... some B727´s "were" modified with advanced navigational features (like GPS .... since many were already INS equipped depending on what types of routes and services they flew and from where) from the 1990´s. Our panels (for most of the 200´s at least) feature INS and the standard VOR to VOR navigation capability .... but .... that´s reflecive of our decision to represent (mostly) period authenticity .... "at the time we first introduced these panels". Again .... we won´t be further modifying our versions of these panels since what we currently offer is considered "quite adequate" for what we represent and within the realms of most peoples easy adaption to FS complexity Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by guy on Sept 28, 2017 16:15:12 GMT
Again .... we won´t be further modifying our versions of these panels since what we currently offer is considered "quite adequate" for what we reprsent and within the realms of most peoples easy adaption to FS complexity Mark C BOG/CO I had understood that. Just wanted to show the beauty ! |
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Post by walterleo on Oct 4, 2017 12:21:54 GMT
Hi friends: A very famous and mysterious private jet was Armand Hammers B-727 N1OXY. It had a range of 5000 miles and advanced navigation and telecommunication systems. As Armand Hammer was Moscows "most beloved capitalist" it was allowed to fly in USSR airspace without the need of a Russian "navigatr". www.nytimes.com/1981/11/29/magazine/the-riddle-of-armand-hammer.html?pagewanted=allKind regards Walter P.S.: Donald Trump also owned a private B 727 up to 2009. |
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