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Post by Herman on Feb 1, 2019 13:31:15 GMT
Very nice Peter. The SAT Caravelles sport an amazing livery.
Herman
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Post by Peter Liddell on Feb 1, 2019 15:31:47 GMT
Thanks Herman Yes this scheme is very colorful, pity they only kept it about 3 years... Anyways, here I think is the completed D-ABAW:  Larger PNG |
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Post by Peter Liddell on Feb 11, 2019 15:11:25 GMT
Ok so... This may of existed, or may not, it was never seen outside the paint hangar if it did... but there are safety cards for it... so I call this an "almost was"  Continental L1011-1 N323EA circa 1988ish:    The safety card:  Obviously alot is best guesstimate, based off the the DC-10 mostly... real N323EA went to LTU in 1988 but supposedly was the first of 5 intended to be "lent" to Continental by Eastern in return for... who knows if anything? EA was later to "sell" all the L1011s, 757s and a bunch of 727-200s, the ATL hub and a bunch of other stuff to CO... this also never took place. Don't know which attempt the safety card was from though... |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 11, 2019 19:15:11 GMT
I recall CO acquired 2 DC-10-30's from EA around 86 or 87 .... N390EA and N392EA .... I photographed them both at AKL/NZAA around this period.
Maybe any intended L-1011 acquisition eventually went in favour of the 10's .... since L-1011's would have been a real "odd man out" in CO's fleet of that time and not to mention the additional aircraft specific support and engineering it would have imposed too.
The DC-10's were far better suited for CO's operation .... more-so too considering they already, by this time, operated the 30's the first of which was acquired around 1980/81.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by Peter Liddell on Feb 11, 2019 19:29:11 GMT
I recall CO acquired 2 DC-10-30's from EA around 86 or 87 .... N390EA and N392EA .... I photographed them both at AKL/NZAA around this period. Maybe any intended L-1011 acquisition eventually went in favour of the 10's .... since L-1011's would have been a real "odd man out" in CO's fleet of that time and not to mention the additional aircraft specific support and engineering it would have imposed too. The DC-10's were far better suited for CO's operation .... more-so too considering they already, by this time, operated the 30's the first of which was acquired around 1980/81. Mark C AKL/NZ Well Mark that's a different story: The DC-10s were not all taken at once... N390EA went in 86 only being in EA service about 9 months, 391 and 392 went to CO in 1990 after EA lost the MIA-LGW route and 2 DC-10s to CO in bankruptcy court. EA didn't need 3 when it abandoned MIA-MAD and MIA-AMS plans in 86... it barely needed 2 until it started flying MIA-GIG/GRU non-stops... it even created an odd MIA-ATL-LAX-LIM-SCL return route with the DC-10 in 87 by removing the PTY stop the L1011 had needed (actually started daily MIA-PTY-LAX-PTY-MIA 757 flights at the same time). CO actually paid full price for 390 too, they needed more DC-10-30s for the Pacific routes they were awarded in 84. The L1011s were more likely closer related to the A300 and SystemONE... ahem... "transfers" via Texas International to Continental Holdings for basically valueless IOUs. CO was also to divert and order for 20 737-300s to EA in 1989 that also didn't happen, but they did of course take 4 727-200s and 8 A300B4s they were supposed to get in exchange  (and to top it all off they sold the 727s to PA immediately). The whole debacle of Lorenzo raiding EA assets is well documented... several books out there... but the L1011 kinda looks good IMHO in CO redball colors  |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 11, 2019 20:11:45 GMT
3 10's was it ?
I only saw 390EA and 392EA .... obviously bit later than I suggested above, but still, around the same period given a year or so. I do well remember the LORENZO affair. In fact at the time also .... and this was certainly mid through the late 80's .... CO went through some major operational crisis .... and which caused real concern in both NZ, and Australia, in regard to the way they were operating. They had a particularly bad name down here .... but .... the same also applied to PA down here too prior to their demise.
I remember that well .... during the mid to late 80's also .... they picked up PPE (Tahiti) in particular with separate north and south bound flights operating LAX/PPE/AKL/SYD and SYD/AKL/PPE/LAX (not sure if HNL was included in this by the time its -30's replaced it's 10's down here, but, it used to be part of CO's AKL and SYD service .... and which was also operated via PPG and NAN (using -10's) for a time too during 1979 and into the very early 80's) on some days of the week. These were the glory days of the DC-10 at AKL/NZAA and it always great to see them .... and I'm glad I did record it all on film.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by Peter Liddell on Feb 11, 2019 20:24:32 GMT
Aye Mark
You don't remember N391EA in CO colors because it became N13067 on delivery, N392EA became N41068 in 94 and N390EA became N12064 in 89 both having flown with the EA registrations in CO colors for some years. CO also had 3 DC-10-10ERs planned but never did the conversions finding enough 30s instead i guess. They did pick up quite a variety between 84 and 92:
2 from Swissair
2 from BCal
1 from IBERIA
4 from Alitalia
1+2 from Eastern as mentioned (which were also ex-Alitalia)
1 from VASP...
And they leased 2 from GARUDA 85-87 which 390 partially replaced.
I think i read they tried to buy PIA's fleet as well but CPAir got them first with the 747 trade.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 11, 2019 22:27:38 GMT
N13067 .... ex I-DYNB (and I think their other AZ -30 was N14063 which I saw, and photographed, here at AKL/NZAA, on a number of occasions .... first supporting the blak tail logo with the combined red logo, smaller titles, and US flag fuselage identity, and later after the red tail logo and revised fuselage indentity was applied. In fact, as I/we all saw it, she/063 seemed to support CO's black tail logo a bit longer than any of the others we had through here). Having commenced service to AKL during mid 1979, CO was "gone" from AKL though by around 1992/93 (we both lost HA and CP too at about the same time). Around 2002/3 (I think it was) they/CO announced their intention to return to AKL, using B787's, and eventually did so, but, seasonally only and under the UA guise, during 2017 .... just a few days after AA commenced services here during June 2017. The earlier part of all this certainly brings back a few camera memories .... for me .... but .... I'm going to reserve my commentary now .... for your future previews .... enough Plane Talk Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 11, 2019 23:56:34 GMT
Actually .... just one more before I do "fart off" .... Peter .... whilst recollecting the CO DC-10-30 fleet .... Do you remember "PK-GIB" ? When first leased from GARUDA INSONESIAN AIRWAYS (around 1985 as I recall) she sported CO livery on one side .... and GA (orange/red) livery on the other side .... before later acquiring mid 1980's version CO livery both sides whilst also retaining her indonesian registration. The split livery on this one would probably make an interesting repaint subject .... and you can, if you desire, use one of the golden tail CO DC-10-30 liveries (worked up by Camilo and myself .... these are "ours") in order to represent -GIB .... if you desired. I can't remember though (and are away from my photos at the moment) whether or not her cabin window configuration changed when she entered service with CO. Now then .... that's it .... I'm definitely out'a here before I get into trouble  Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Peter Liddell on Feb 12, 2019 3:50:55 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 12, 2019 5:44:58 GMT
YEAH .... it came through AKL/NZAA back in 85/86.
I (personally) missed it that day .... and only 2 of my local associates here aaw it.
I just "assumed" it was full CO livery (I know it was the modified version) on its port side and the red/orange striped GA livery on starboard side .... because I'm not sure that GA had adopted the shaded blue toned bird tail logo during 85, but, it might well have been as depicted per those model images (with the bird tail logo), however, I can't find any R/W photographic evidence to back up wht rhat model demonstrates.
Always known this split CO/GA identity existed on -GIB though.
It never came through AKL/NZAA again after that 1 and only visit.
A quick check of -GIB's history shows her to have leen leased to CO from November 85 and returned to GA during June 87 .... then .... leased to MH from September 87 and returned to GA during January 88 .... so my time frame is correct at least.
Mark C
AKL/nZ
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Post by Peter Liddell on Feb 12, 2019 20:45:00 GMT
One i promised to look into a while ago... C-FCWW, DC-8-55F, ACS Canada, 1989   |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 12, 2019 22:29:09 GMT
Had her come through AKL/NZAA (which I shot at the time) with a freight charter during 87/88.
After she left AKL on that trip she was, by the time she was nearing the USA, apparently forced to perform an emergency descent somewhere (not sure what the technical circumstances were though .... might have been a compressor stall or failure or something like that) .... or so we were told later.
I don't think ACS lasted long, but, it was a great and artistic looking Canadian livery .... one of the classics of the 80's I should think.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by Peter Liddell on Feb 13, 2019 1:10:32 GMT
No they didn't last after 92... lost contracts and went under around then somewhere. They had 3 DC-8s... 2 55Fs like the above and a 54JT near the end from the French Air Force. The original color scheme was much more boring... anonymous white DC-8s!
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 13, 2019 2:52:43 GMT
The one you've represented is the one that came through here/AKL/NZAA (confirmed) .... C-FCWW .... and which. I think, eas also the very last -50F (-55F) we had through here too since our own -54F had been WFU by this time. Had any number of other -63's, -71's, and -73's come through AKL/NZAA afterward .... but .... never another -50 I specifically remember her being "very heavy" when she departed .... in fact rolling from RWY 05 she used more than 3/4 or it's length to get airborne .... quite spectualar Mark C AKL/NZ |
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(and to top it all off they sold the 727s to PA immediately).
