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Post by Peter Liddell - HJG Admin on Jan 25, 2020 15:57:03 GMT
Hello from Jacksonville FL... Flew in here yesterday but on the way had an odd experience. On WN1155 BUF to BWI we were on short final to RWY33L when we did what I would call a go around. I'm still not clear on the reason... It was clear sunny, nothing ahead of it, I had clear view of the airport as we climbed and turned away. On the live ATC archive of it for Potomac ARR they do not say they are on the go around when they pop back up, and when I asked the crew said aborted approach. Unfortunately BWI Tower isn't archived for that time, file is 4 minutes of static. We landed on RWY10 a few minutes later. So wondering... What the difference is? I've never heard of an aborted approach being called after hand off to tower, usually in my experience it's called if they can't continue or stabilize the approach for some reason to ARR some distance out. youtu.be/2x8Xc6cJ3CQ |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 25, 2020 19:52:08 GMT
Who knows Pete  Lot's of possibilities could apply. I've experienced that (actual GA's) "twice" ..... once/the first time with AV (MD-80) at BOG and once/the second time with AA (B757-200) at MIA. Conditions at BOG the afternoon of my first experience were none other than what could be perceived as "good". Maybe the flight in front of us was too slow to roll for T/O imposing unsatisfactorily/reduced separation between it, and us, the approaching aircraft .... or .... maybe our clearance was cancelled by ATC and for whatever reason. No explanation was ever provided by either tech or cabin crews. I laughed like hell though when my wife, wide-eyed with concern, with what was unfolding then turned to me and said .... during the GA .... "MALOS PILOTOS/BAD PILOTS". We simply "went around" .... from around 200 FT .... and were successful at the 2nd attempt. I do however remember that when we left the aircraft at BOG (Puente Aerea in those days) what appeared to be "a senior" pilot (with all his scrambled eggs and stripes) came striding out to the aircraft, and stood at the base of the forward stairs as we disembarked. His posture (arms folded) and the expression on his face (like he meant business and had a bone to pick with someone), was something "of very definite displeasure". Conversely I also noted how slow our tech crew were to leave the aircraft too .... as if they weren't in any hurry to be confronted. Couldn't help noticing these details .... for as long as I could justify standing around on the ramp to observe what was going on. Conditions at MIA on the afternoon of my second experience weren't good .... and were deteriorating .... rain, wind, lightning, and all the associated turbulence too. So this was quite likely WX related .... event and probably (in these cases and with a possibly unstable approach too) was "the safest thing/best decision" for that tech crew to do/make. We went around, from around 150-200 FT .... I estimate .... and climbed back up into the gathering doom and gloom aloft and had a 2nd, and this time (some 30 minutes later) successful attempt. The only thing I was worried about was my connecting flight .... because my transfer time (to another AA service to BOG) was "very tight" (less than 1 hour), but, after we got to the terminal salvation arrived in the form of the MIA ramp being "closed" .... due to the developing lightning storm that was moving in. This sort of thing .... along with very lengthy hold-offs from the terminal after arrival too (2 hours on the ground and aboard the aircraft at MIA after landing was my best/worse experience .... PAX were very displeased and there as a near riot aboard the aircraft, BUT HEY, that's the way it goes sometimes) with some of them missing both domestic and international connections due to equally lengthy processing delays at Immigration/Passport Control once we did dock at MIA (that place's a bloody Mad House) are al; part of "air travel fun". I've got to say though .... every time I've had a missed connection (always beyond my own control) .... and which has, on past occasions resulted in an unanticipated overnight stays at MIA until the next available flight the following day, AA have looked after me "superbly" with both hotel accommodation and meal vouchers. As a PAX during both GA's the amusing thing (to me) I've noticed among fellow PAX aboard the aircraft and at the time these events unfold is the way they all suddenly start sitting "BOLT UPRIGHT" .... as if whatever's happening has apparently gotten their attention to the extent their lives might depend on their alertness Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Peter Liddell - HJG Admin on Jan 26, 2020 16:10:08 GMT
Well this was my second go around... Though I got more information. It seems we were just badly timed, there was a runway change as we were on approach, our flight was the last given clearance on to 33L and when they called the tower there was a conflicting aircraft coming in on 10 and so they advised that they could not clear us for landing, to go missed approach and join the pattern for 10.
Anyways, my first go around was many years back, Air Canada 767-200 landing in Calgary (YYC)... We got local weather event known as a Chinook... Basically a very fast moving wind that can drag along a weather front rolling in off the nearby Rocky Mountains that can change the weather massively in minutes (25*C temp drops are no unheard of, sunny nice to whiteout snow and so on)
We flew into what can only be described as a wall of cloud and rain a few miles out, smooth air went to incredible turbulence, rain started pouring by the window... We got close enough to see the runway end but went around rather powerfully and steep climb and went into a hold for about 45 minutes, then landed in a light rain... By the time we got to the gate bright sun.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 26, 2020 18:20:10 GMT
You mean something like "this" Pete .... www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGe7__S01P4It's an inconvenience to everyone (even the tech crew too) .... and startles the hell out of some PAX .... but at the end of the day and in uncertain conditions it's "THE SAFEST" thing to do I guess Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by walterleo on Jan 27, 2020 17:56:29 GMT
Hi Friends: Against the views of the non flying public NOT THROWING AWAY an akward approach is much more dangerous than going around whichever are the reasons for the problems. I myself flew going arounds in my training only and saw only one go around by an airliner. That was an IL 62 M of Aeroflot trying to land on MMMX Rwy 05 L seems some ATC cars were near the runway and the Aeroflot crew choose to go around. Aborted Takeoff for real I had to do two, the pitot tube was blocked, a wasp had decided to bring her "family" into it, which was not visible during my preflight. As pax I lived one aborted takeoff in a MD-80 of AUA. The Captain did explain it by a problem with the speed indication, we were transfered to another MD-80. More strange was a flight in a LH B 747-800 last year: In the take off run a BANG and RTTRRTTTRTTTRTTT until rotation, then we followed low and slow with windnoise, then gear up and climb after 11 hours landing in MMMX rwy 23 R, thanks to the forward camera the approach looked normal, than the flare seemed prolonged and at high nose up and BANG (an arrival like a load of briks), than RRTTTRRRTTTRRRTTT until leaving the runway and there we stood for at least 15 minutes, far away from the gate. A rain started and some lightnig strikes were visible. The Captain annouced, beeing sorry that the ATC could not clear us to the gate, "as due to wind changes ATC had no time for us while diverting other airplanes" (  ) Than various cars of ATC and LH scrambled around us after one car had driving over our runway, variuos people came out and went under the airplane. After some minutes more we taxied to the gate. Did they fly with a blown tire and lost some parts of it while landing? Kind regards Walter |
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Post by Herman on Jan 28, 2020 13:57:28 GMT
To me the phrases go around and aborted approach would mean the same because a go around is technically an aborted or interrupted approach.
Normally I believe ATC would instruct a go around. The crew member who you asked this question used a little different choose of words and answered aborted approach.
The reason for these actions could be as was explained in the above posts.
Herman
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Post by walterleo on Jan 28, 2020 15:54:47 GMT
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