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Post by Peter Liddell - HJG Admin on May 14, 2015 2:47:25 GMT
ok so this project has been on my radar for over a year... finally got into it... still very much WIP...  High ResPlanned paints: N8701E Hockeystick prototype - logo tail - completed
N8702E Delivery Colors (spear - Fly Eastern Air Lines) - completedN8704E Hockeystick late N8705E Hockeystick early no door outlines N8706E Spear reverse tail (Fly Eastern - gold with red outline falcon) N8708E Hockeystick prototype - logotype on tail - completedN8711E Spear standard (Fly Eastern - Red with gold outline falcon) N8712E Hockeystick with flag N8714E Hockeystick standard - completedN8715E Spear with gold/red/blue falcon (Fly Eastern Air Lines - test scheme) Hope that covers enough for everyone  |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 14, 2015 3:14:50 GMT
That (these) are a "NICE SURPRISE" Peter  I kind of regard the B720 as not on the odd-ball among the EAL fleet .... but .... something od "a rarety" too. I presume these aircraft must have supplemented the airlines DC8-20's on Latin American routes .... particular to high altitude destinations such as Bogota, Colombia. "MANY THANKS" Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Peter Liddell - HJG Admin on May 14, 2015 12:11:56 GMT
Actually Mark, as i understand it, they very rarely left the US/Canada routes. They were used on "medium" hauls like BOS-ATL-MIA, YUL-IDL-BWI-ATL, IDL-MSY-DAL and so on.
When EA had 720s they had no real presence in Central and South America, only some routes into the Caribbean and Mexico. Though unlike United, Eastern did equip it's 720s with HF radios and rafts for overwater flying, and they did hit Bermuda frequently.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 14, 2015 20:12:55 GMT
"INTERESTING" .... puts a slightly different slant on what I'd previously understood about EAL and their regional/international routings.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by Peter Liddell - HJG Admin on May 24, 2015 2:35:52 GMT
Alright... Due to appliance issues... this got delayed a bit... but finally had time tonight to get them going... so here's 2 to preview. N8708E in the titles variation of the prototype hockeysticks circa 1965 without door outlines:    And N8714E in the later standard hockeystick circa 1970 with door outlines:    |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 24, 2015 3:15:26 GMT
Looks like they're comming along nicely Peter Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by acourt on May 24, 2015 14:38:17 GMT
Looking really good, Peter. Can't wait to get my FS setup again at the new house and try out all the new additions.
As a historical aside, my father was a Second Officer on the DC-8 while EAL was phasing out the 720s. Apparently there was some time left on the leases, so EAL was trying to run the airplanes down and spare the DC-8s. My father stumbled across a DC-8 line of flying that was, for several months, always equipment-swapped with a 720. He spent six months sitting at home doing nothing, getting paid his guarantee. Not a bad deal!
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 25, 2015 0:35:44 GMT
5 of them .... the EAL B720-020's .... eventually went to CONAIR OF SCANDINAVIA as it upgraded with jet equipment from 1970 ....
N8703E - became OY-DSK
N8705E - became OY-DSL
N8707E - became OY-DSM
N8712E - became OY-DSP
N8714E - became OY-DSR
Mark C
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Post by Peter Liddell - HJG Admin on May 25, 2015 1:16:22 GMT
Nicely you say... well yes I suppose they are Anyways... N8701E in the "other" prototype hockeystick, the logotail, aka the puck tail...   And N8702E, in the delivery spear colors circa 1961   But that may be in for a few days... really busy this week  |
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Post by Peter Liddell - HJG Admin on May 25, 2015 1:27:00 GMT
Looking really good, Peter. Can't wait to get my FS setup again at the new house and try out all the new additions. As a historical aside, my father was a Second Officer on the DC-8 while EAL was phasing out the 720s. Apparently there was some time left on the leases, so EAL was trying to run the airplanes down and spare the DC-8s. My father stumbled across a DC-8 line of flying that was, for several months, always equipment-swapped with a 720. He spent six months sitting at home doing nothing, getting paid his guarantee. Not a bad deal! Interesting to hear... I've had long chats with EA pilots on the 727, Electra, DC-9, 757, L1011 and even DC-10, but never found one that flew the 8s. If you have any other stories about those days from your father I'd love to hear them! I've never heard about running down the leases on the 720s and saving the DC-8s, but there were real differences in the 720 and DC-8 flying vs the schedule from 68 to 70 I do know... heard all kinds of explanations, so I'll add that one to EA was holding DC-8s in reserve for CAB filings to the Pacific Coast to there were parts issues on the DC-8-21s to management was trying to even out overhaul time in the JT4 engines... take your pick? Since the DC-8-21 and -51s (and even -60s) started being removed from the fleet right after the 720s (720 were done in summer 70, -21 done in Q3 72, -51 in Q4 71) I tend to think there was little point in keeping hours low on them though? But one fact I don't believe the 720s were leased, they were owned by EA and traded into Boeing on 727-200s. |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 25, 2015 1:49:38 GMT
According to my production records .... relating to just the 5 above-mentioned aircraft only .... the first 4 of these (N8703E, N8705E, N87807E, and N8712E) were each delivered to PRUDENTIAL between 1961 and 62 and least to EASTERN AIR LINES .... then .... bought by the airline between 1964 and 66. It seems (again according to my records) that N8714E was delivered to EASTERN AIR LINES during 1961, then, sold to BOEING during 1970, and to CONAIR during 1971. If you can "hit me" with a complete EAL B720 fleet list Peter, then, I'll be happy to share what my Bible states regarding each and in relation to its delivery to and disposal from EAL. Love the old/early EAL livery on these aircraft .... and their DC8's .... and propliners Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Peter Liddell - HJG Admin on May 25, 2015 2:12:50 GMT
According to my production records .... relating to just the 5 above-mentioned aircraft only .... the first 4 of these (N8703E, N8705E, N87807E, and N8712E) were each delivered to PRUDENTIAL between 1961 and 62 and least to EASTERN AIR LINES .... then .... bought by the airline between 1964 and 66. It seems (again according to my records) that N8714E was delivered to EASTERN AIR LINES during 1961, then, sold to BOEING during 1970, and to CONAIR during 1971. If you can "hit me" with a complete EAL B720 fleet list Peter, then, I'll be happy to share what my Bible states regarding each and in relation to its delivery to and disposal from EAL. Love the old/early EAL livery on these aircraft .... and their DC8's .... and propliners Mark C AKL/NZ Complete 720 list coming right up... but I already know the dispositions... N8701E 025 18155/225 701 08/61 09/69 - to TEA N8702E 025 18156/232 702 08/61 09/69 - to Voyager Travel Club N8703E 025 18157/233 703 02/62 06/70 - traded in to Boeing, to Conair N8704E 025 18158/234 704 09/61 09/69 - traded in to Boeing, to Conair N8705E 025 18159/235 705 09/61 01/70 - traded in to Boeing, to Conair N8706E 025 18160/236 706 10/61 08/69 - traded in to Boeing, to Korean Air Lines N8707E 025 18161/239 707 10/61 11/69 - traded in to Boeing, to Conair N8708E 025 18162/240 708 11/61 10/69 - traded in to Boeing, to Calair (to Air Rhodesia/Air Zimbabwe) N8709E 025 18163/241 709 10/61 01/70 - traded in to Boeing, to Air Viking N8710E 025 18164/242 710 10/61 01/70 - traded in to Boeing, to Korean Air Lines N8711E 025 18240/246 711 01/62 06/70 - traded in to Boeing, to Ambassadair N8712E 025 18241/247 712 11/61 01/70 - traded in to Boeing, to Conair N8713E 025 18242/248 713 11/61 06/70 - traded in to Boeing, to Calair (to Air Rhodesia/Air Zimbabwe) N8714E 025 18243/254 714 12/61 06/70 - traded in to Boeing, to Conair N8715E 025 18244/255 715 12/61 06/70 - traded in to Boeing, to Calair (to Air Rhodesia/Air Zimbabwe) The first 2 I'm not sure if they were direct sales or via Boeing... Sorry fixes... |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 25, 2015 3:50:58 GMT
Here you go Peter .... The EAL B720 Gospel .... according to my own BOEING production listings which are current as of up to "June 2008". I've covered deliveries up to and just beyond their BOEING acquisition .... showing a few minor differences in the dates and subsequent operators .... and then citing any relevent details regarding individual aircraft fates .... each of which were eventually broken up/scrapped unless otherwise stated .... N8701E 025 18155/225 701 14/08/61 delivered to PRUDENTIAL and leased to EAL - sold to EAL 28/10/66 - sold/traded to BOEING 20/09/69 - sold to TEA OO-TEA 30/04/71
N8702E 025 18156/232 702 25/08/61 delivered to PRUDENTIAL and leased to EAL - sold to EAL 28/10/66 - sold/traded to BOEING 21/09/69 - sold to VOYAHER TRAVEL CLUB N10VG 19/05/70
N8703E 025 18157/233 703 02/02/62 delivered to PRUDENTIAL and leased to EAL - sold to EAL 06/64 - sold/traded to BOEING 19/06/70 - sold to CONAIR OY-DSK 17/06/71
N8704E 025 18158/234 704 20/09/61 delivered to PRUDENTIAL and leased to EAL - sold to EAL 28/10/66 - sold/traded to BOEING 25/09/69 - sold to TRANS POLAR LN-TUW 30/05/70 - repossessed by BOEING 18/05/71 (eventually became ASW TEST aircraft N3183B)
N8705E 025 18159/235 705 27/09/61 delivered to PRUDENTIAL and leased to EAL - sold to EAL 28/10/66 - sold/traded to BOEING 27/01/70 - sold to CONAIR OY-DSL 17/07/70
N8706E 025 18160/236 706 06/10/61 delivered to PRUDENTIAL and leased to EAL - sold to EAL 28/10/66 - sold/traded to BOEING 21/08/69 - sold to KOREAN AIR LINES HL-7402 (eventually became KAL cabin service trainer from 1977)
N8707E 025 18161/239 707 17/10/61 delivered to PRUDENTIAL and leased to EAL - sold to EAL 28/10/66 - sold/traded to BOEING 20/11/69 - sold to CONAIR OY-DSM 30/04/71
N8708E 025 18162/240 708 08/11/61 delivered to PRUDENTIAL and leased to EAL - sold to EAL 28/10/66 - sold/traded to BOEING 20/10/69 - sold to CALAIR D-ACIP 22/12/70
N8709E 025 18163/241 709 23/10/61 delivered to PRUDENTIAL and leased to EAL - sold to EAL 28/10/66 - sold/traded to BOEING 16/01/69 - sold to CALAIR D-ACIQ 30/12/70
N8710E 025 18164/242 710 23/10/61 delivered to PRUDENTIAL and leased to EAL - sold to EAL 28/10/66 - sold/traded to BOEING 25/01/70 - sold to KOREAN AIR LINES HL-7403 24/02/70 - sold/traded to Boeing 23/11/77
N8711E 025 18240/246 711 09/01/62 delivered to EAL - sold/traded to Boeing 22/06/70 - sold to CALAIR D-ACIR 30/12/70 - repossessed by BOEING 03/72 - sold to AERO AMERICAN CORPORATION N8711E 29/09/72
N8712E 025 18241/247 712 13/11/61 delivered to PRUDENTIAL and leased to EAL - sold to EAL 28/10/66 - sold/traded to BOEING 19/01/70 - sold to CONAIR OY-DSP 12/08/71 (donated to DANISH AVIATION MUSEUM 1985)
N8713E 025 18242/248 713 2211/61 delivered to EAL - sold/traded to BOEING 17/06/70 - sold to CALAIR D-ACIS 30/12/70 (eventually became AIR ZIMBABWE cabin service trainer from 1983)
N8714E 025 18243/254 714 08/12/61 delivered to EAL - sold/traded to BOEING 24/06/70 - sold to CONAIR OY-DSR 09/06/71 (damaged beyond repair due to hard landing at Copenhagen, Denmark, 13/09/74 and broken up during 07/75)
N8715E 025 18244/255 715 16/12/61 delivered to EAL - sold/traded to BOEING 15/06/70 - sold to CALAIR D-ACIT 30/12/70I could actually provide "complete dates and fates for everything" beyond their BOEING (plus) acquisitions .... BUT .... that would require a bit more time of course Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:15:14 GMT
I've had long chats with EA pilots on the 727, Electra, DC-9, 757, L1011 and even DC-10, but never found one that flew the 8s. The Eastern DC-8 pilots actually lurk around aviation forums.  Whenever I post on many countless aviation forums screenshots of Eastern DC-8s painted by you or Tony Madge, I always get nice comments from Eastern DC-8 pilots via PMs about how my screenshots remind them of their years flying on DC-8s. The Eastern pilots told me that the registration number of Eastern liveries in my screenshots match their Eastern pilot logbooks. Also I got nice comment on my screenshots from one forum member of another aviation forum who said his father was one of DC-8 test pilots. One Eastern DC-8-63PF pilot said to me that during training on that plane, when he made tight turn, he could look back at passenger seatings and could see the long aisle bending little bit. Anyway, what routes did Eastern 720s serve so that I can recreate using one of your new liveries: N8701E prototype hockeystick, the logotail, aka the puck tail? Your VA does not have 720s. Regards, Aharon |
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Post by Peter Liddell - HJG Admin on May 25, 2015 20:03:36 GMT
Anyway, what routes did Eastern 720s serve so that I can recreate using one of your new liveries: N8701E prototype hockeystick, the logotail, aka the puck tail? Your VA does not have 720s. Uhhh....? There are 103 720 flights in the Golden Falcon era? No there aren't any in Whisperliner era as that timetable is after the 720s were retired (can't have 747s, 720s and L1011s... no timetable covers them all, you can BARELY get 720 and 747 in 1970 summer, so I used 71 with some tweakers to get DC-8, 747, L1011 and dropped the 720 since it's in GF.) You can easily check questions like this at VEA Aharon... |
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Whenever I post on many countless aviation forums screenshots of Eastern DC-8s painted by you or Tony Madge, I always get nice comments from Eastern DC-8 pilots via PMs about how my screenshots remind them of their years flying on DC-8s. The Eastern pilots told me that the registration number of Eastern liveries in my screenshots match their Eastern pilot logbooks.