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Post by darrenvox on May 23, 2019 1:55:07 GMT
yes they look great and wlcome hareton, i dont think ive seen your name before...
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Post by Harerton Dourado - HJG on May 23, 2019 2:04:28 GMT
yes they look great and wlcome hareton, i dont think ive seen your name before... Hi,
I just like to keep a low profile . It´s been a while since my last post. But I´m around for some time now - 13 years or more, I believe!
I have written the 707 fuel management tutorial!
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Post by Erik Ingram - HJG on May 23, 2019 2:38:24 GMT
I believe the original rainbow livery had a "beige" background, not a white one. But I will confirm it later! That would be great to know- this is the only picture I've ever seen of that particular livery, and given the age and color distortion of the photo, it's hard to tell for sure: www.airliners.net/photo/TransBrasil/Boeing-727-27/21387Thanks for your help in confirming some of the other colors involved as well!
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Post by Herman on May 23, 2019 11:48:33 GMT
Thank you Erik for these wonderful and most colorful additions of Trans Brazil 727's. The airlines' paint budget must have been quite hefty. Herman
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Post by Harerton Dourado - HJG on May 23, 2019 12:26:49 GMT
I believe the original rainbow livery had a "beige" background, not a white one. But I will confirm it later! That would be great to know- this is the only picture I've ever seen of that particular livery, and given the age and color distortion of the photo, it's hard to tell for sure: www.airliners.net/photo/TransBrasil/Boeing-727-27/21387Thanks for your help in confirming some of the other colors involved as well! Eric, I´ve read about the beige colour on a site somewhere. But take a look at the following picture, with drawings of all TransBrasil liveries, made by Gianfranco Beting, the guy that created most of them. The original rainbow livery is on the 3rd column, left to right. Anyway, as I said, I´ve just bought Mr. Beting´s book on TransBrasil and, as he told me, all these liveries are on the book so I will be able to confirm this info. The book shall arrive in a few days (I hope!). Something I just noticed... on the 4th column, just above the 707, it seems there´s a 727-200! I didn´t know TransBrasil operated them! Well, it might be a non finished order. The picture also shows a 757, that was announced circa 1982-83, but not bought. The same applies to the 747. This one really existed (there is a picture on Airliners.net), but it was not delivered.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 23, 2019 20:54:35 GMT
We can do a texture and image swap if you like Erik. No problem at all .... just let me know what you think you'd like to do .... whack it over to me and I'll look after it for you from there That caught my attention too, but, I couldn't ever find photographic evidence of its existence .... so it may, as you say, have been an unsecured order .... prior to the airline eventually opting for the B737-300 and -400. Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Erik Ingram - HJG on May 26, 2019 6:33:11 GMT
Regarding the 727-200s, I wasn't able to find any information about when they might've been ordered, but two were built as 727-2Q4s (TB's Boeing customer code). You're right that neither flew with TransBrasil; they originally were delivered to Mexicana, and went on to fly with various operators after that. Anyway, here are a few more...sedate 727s From October 1967 to June 1968, United leased several 727-100Cs to complement their own new-build aircraft, which wore non-standard versions of the Mainliner livery in use at the time. Most of them came from World Airways, though two were also leased from Executive Jet Aviation (but delivered directly to United from the factory). First up is 727-155C N531EJ circa November '67: And 727-173C N693WA circa March 1968, with a much narrower section of white separating the cheatline from the metal belly: The remainder of the 727-22Cs wore the standard United liveries of the time; first the Mainliner, then Stars and Bars, and finally the late '70s Saul Bass livery.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 26, 2019 8:03:43 GMT
I can tell you "a little" about the UAL B727-100QC's .... because here in NZ I got "up close and personal" with 2 of them on many occasions as well as being a personal friend of the AIR NZ Strategic Resources Manager/"Hard Negotiator" who was responsible for acquiring these aircraft from UAL for the RNZAF and their entry to NZ. During the very early 1980's 40 SQDN RNZAF acquired B727-100QC's (each ex UAL aircraft and 1968 deliveries) to supplement it's 5 C-130H's. These aircraft were used by the SQDN as both personell/VIP transports as well as freighters. 3 aircraft were acquired.... but .... only 2 of these (NZ7271 and NZ727) ever saw operational service with the RNZAF. NZ7273 was delivered but never flew again .... being used for spares recovery only. Both operational B727-100QC's remained in RNZAF service until 2003 when they were replaced with 2 B757-200's. The RNZAF were attracted to these UAL -100's "in particular" not only because of their QC capability .... but .... also because they were built with the B727-200 wing which promoted a 10,000 LB MGW increase. HJG already represents these aircraft with RNZAF liveries .... and FDE to match .... identifying them using non-official "IGW"/increased gross weight nomenclature "FOR CONVENIENCE ONLY" .... simply to differentiate these subjects from the rest. In fact it 's quite a coincidence that you should "surprise me" by previewing these Erik because I was only talking with the above-mentioned ex-AIR NZ SRM/Hard Negotiator just last week .... during which conversation these B727's entered our discussion Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Erik Ingram - HJG on May 27, 2019 0:25:43 GMT
Interesting stuff! Turns out it was pretty easy to modify my other United 727s into the remainder of the 100C fleet (to be fair I started this a while ago), so here they are are as well: N7423U, 1969: N7427U, 1976 in the full "Stars and Bars" livery: N7432U, 1978 in a simplified version minus the stars: N7406U, 1980 in the Saul Bass livery:
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 27, 2019 0:47:52 GMT
Another very nice time line Erik. The final livery depicts how at least one of the RNZAF aircraft appeared when delivered to NZ .... to RNZAF Base Whenuapai (the old AKL international Airport prior to 1965) .... just over my back fence/across the river from me here in AKL Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Harerton Dourado - HJG on May 27, 2019 11:22:30 GMT
Regarding the 727-200s, I wasn't able to find any information about when they might've been ordered, but two were built as 727-2Q4s (TB's Boeing customer code). You're right that neither flew with TransBrasil; they originally were delivered to Mexicana, and went on to fly with various operators after that. Eric, TBA (that´s the code TransBrasil used on their flights) ordered 4 727-200. Two would be new planes, and the positions were secured, hence the 2 727-2Q4. Later on it was decided that the order would be for 3 757-200 so the amount payed was destined to this new order. As history shows, TBA ended up ordering 767s. Eric, check your PM for the material I sent you. Harerton
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Post by Erik Ingram - HJG on May 28, 2019 22:46:39 GMT
Here are a few 727s from USAir's incarnation of the East Coast shuttle service; these included some of the original airframes used by Eastern when it was their operation: 727-25 N904TS, 1993: 727-225 N922TS, 1995: The 727s were pretty much gone by mid-1997 (although a few did make it into the ultra-dark-blue livery), replaced by a mixture of DC-9s, A319s/A320s, and 737s. Although it was no longer branded as such after 2002, the concept remained, and ERJ-190s were added in 2006. The service continues today with American, with a mix of mainline aircraft and ERJ-175s operated by Republic Airways. Following Alitalia's rebrand in 2009, a small number of MD-82s received the modernized livery prior to their retirement in 2012. I-DATC was one of the first, although it kept the old logos on the wings.
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Post by Erik Ingram - HJG on May 29, 2019 7:21:14 GMT
Here we have one extremely rare 727- originally one of the three delivered to Southern Air in 1967 as N5093, in January 1968 it was assigned to Civil Air Transport operating out of Taiwan. CAT started out as a legitimate carrier in 1946, but quickly began supporting CIA operations in East Asia and was eventually taken over completely by them. The 727 replaced a Convair 880, and was named "The Mandarin Jet". Unfortunately it crashed on approach to Taipei on February 16, 1968, after just a month and a half in service with them, killing 21 of the 63 on board. CAT itself was then disbanded, and its operations organized into other entities including Air America and Flying Tigers, among others. 727-92C B-1018, 1968:
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 29, 2019 8:10:47 GMT
"THAT" .... is "A REAL CLASSIC" .... if ever there was one "VERY NICE" call Erik Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on May 29, 2019 8:50:36 GMT
Wow, great CAT CIA 727 repaint, I love it 🥳
Nathan
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