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Post by skyking on Jan 17, 2008 19:33:49 GMT
This might've been the first major accident involving a B-777, but there have been a couple of close calls that could very well have ended up tragedies. One in particular; UA Flight 842 (17 March 2003) from Auckland to Honolulu. Makes for an interesting read.
Another pet peeve of mine: ETOPS! Four engines should be mandatory over the Indian, Pacific and Atlantic!
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Post by jimhalinda on Jan 17, 2008 19:35:40 GMT
Four engines should be mandatory everywhere! (And they should be narrowbodies!)
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Post by parkcentral on Jan 17, 2008 19:39:32 GMT
Four engines should be mandatory everywhere! (And they should be narrowbodies!) here here
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Post by George Carty - HJG on Jan 17, 2008 20:43:55 GMT
Another pet peeve of mine: ETOPS! Four engines should be mandatory over the Indian, Pacific and Atlantic! I wonder why Boeing didn't build a four-engined version of the 777 to compete with the Airbus A340...
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Post by skyking on Jan 17, 2008 20:51:27 GMT
Another pet peeve of mine: ETOPS! Four engines should be mandatory over the Indian, Pacific and Atlantic! I wonder why Boeing didn't build a four-engined version of the 777 to compete with the Airbus A340... Oh come on now.....MONEY, MONEY, and MONEY! BTW.....anybody know if there's an Engineer on the A-340?
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Post by George Carty - HJG on Jan 17, 2008 22:11:44 GMT
Oh come on now.....MONEY, MONEY, and MONEY! BTW.....anybody know if there's an Engineer on the A-340? Was the A340 a flop compared to its two-engine equivalent the A330? I think the A340 has a two-crew cockpit just like the A320 and A330...
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Post by skyking on Jan 17, 2008 23:51:43 GMT
I know nothing about the A-340. The only thing it has going for it is.....four engines. I dislike it because of the FBW.
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Post by Tarasdad on Jan 18, 2008 1:56:32 GMT
Remember the BA 747 that lost an engine on takeoff from LAX (February of 2005, IIRC) but decided to continue the trip to Heathrow, only to have to land early to refuel? All because of the EU rule that would require the airline to refund all passengers' ticket fees because of the delay? I can't help but wonder if this isn't a similar situation.
Only time will tell, I guess.
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Post by parkcentral on Jan 18, 2008 2:07:23 GMT
I think the A340 has a two-crew flight deck just like the A320 and A330... The A340 has a two crew Flight Deck and is almost identical to the A330 Flight Deck, but for the 2 extra engines. Pilots can mix an A330 type rating with an A340 one or an A320 one (even though that Flight deck does differ a little). Was the A340 a flop compared to its two-engine equivalent the A330? The A330 sold more than twice the numbers of the A340, mainly because of its better economy. R&D wise the planes share many features, so I suppose Airbus did make money on the A340 project. It's all about economics these days. Maybe we'll see a twin engine version of the A380 soon. ;D
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Post by jetblue3000 on Jan 18, 2008 4:27:05 GMT
Wonder if it will be written off? The most important thing is that everyone got out safely with few injuries. Here's a video someone posted on YouTube of the plane attempting to land. Mark the Air Canada accident involved a AC 767-200 that later became known as the "Gimli Gilder". Read the story about it here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 18, 2008 6:44:30 GMT
YEAH .... that's the one ! And the British Airways B747-200 incident overflying Indonesia and which flew into volanic ash during June 1982 became the "Galunggung Glider" .... although they did get all 4 engines restarted (later reduced to 3) once they had descended into clear air. And if I'm not mistaken the AIR TRANSAT incident which saw an A330 glide into the Azores (I think it was .... not sure) came about as the result of a fuel leak .... and resulting fuel starvation .... caused by the fitting of non-standard parts on RR engines. It sure is gonna be interesting to see what comes out of this BA B77 incident in the future .... once the investigation is complete Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by ravilamir on Jan 18, 2008 7:02:09 GMT
You're absolutely right, Mark! AIR TRANSAT is one of the longest gliders in history. Not bad for a modern plane! It landed at Lajes AB (LPLA), blew half of its tires and left a deep grove on the runway. All passengers survived.
Soft landings!
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Post by jetblue3000 on Jan 18, 2008 14:28:50 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 18, 2008 20:23:47 GMT
Just been talking to a very senior airline engineering colleague of mine currently in London at the moment.
Here's what he has to say so far about BA's incident of yesterday ....
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by skyking on Jan 18, 2008 20:38:22 GMT
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to second guess the Captain here, but I always carried an extra ten knots on approach until "landing assured" in just such a bizarre case. Quite a few Co-Pilots questioned my motives until I explained it to them and pointed out numerous "accidents" where an extra ten knots would have saved the day.
I'm glad these chaps had open ground in front of them.
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