I just wonder if the development of the great Caravelles is stopped. I do hope, that it will continue. I really miss the 12.er series.
Hi Carl: There existed a Caravelle 12 at Flitsim.com:
Don't know if its still there, but that was the basis for the AFG development of Caravelle I to XI and the panel was by Benoit Gurant. Try to find it, hopefully its still on download. I have flown it, its a nice simplane.
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 23, 2012 21:08:26 GMT
I just wonder if the devellopment of the great Caravelles is stopped. I do hope, that it will continue.
So far as I'm aware the CARAVELLE project is still "ON" .... despite the fact that the AFG website has been closed.
I've certainly not heard anything to the contrary.
It must be remembered that developing just one/each good FS aircraft type model is a huge and time consuming process (and it's a much bigger task too when one considers all of the necessary physical differences which need to be applied to each member of the CARAVELLE family) .... especially when one considers all the side development work for a project like this aircraft also .... which generally includes panel/gauge, FDE, and audio/soundpack development work as well.
The CARAVELLE development team has done well to produce and release what they have .... so far (and that was a very long and time consuming process also) .... BUT .... I don't want to see them rushed or any aire of expectation imposed upon them either.
Unless we are advised otherwise .... development of the CARAVELLE should/must continue at the developers own comfortable pace/convenience (bearing in mind their own professional as well as personal responsibilities) .... which will/should then result in everything being ready "WHEN IT'S READY" .... as is always the case with FS freeware
Walter's correct in that there "IS" another CARAVELLE 12 simulation available (I think it's a panel only though) .... and which is "a panel" by Benoit GAURANT who also is the author of the current AFG CARAVELLE panel series too, but, the file referenced (above) is a "very early" production example which predates any of the recent AFG CARAVELLE modelling, as well as the later GAURANT panel developments also, by some considerable period. That CARAVELLE 12 panel, and simulation, is essentially not a part of the AFG produced HJG hosted CARAVELLE project.
Its true, the simulation I mentioned is quite old. And I understand also that the real Caravelle 12 was a development which only found 2 customers (STERLING and AIR INTER), the other Caravelles did find a much wider market, therefore more repaints and more interest in FS. Regarding the physical differences you are quite right, besides the looks there were different systems on board the different Caravelles. If that is true also between Caravelle X and XII disregarding the engines I don't know. But the AFG Caravelles are such a wonderful work, that you can enjoy the existing versions in the meantime even in color of STERLING ( Caravelle VI and X) and AIR INTER (Caravelle III and VI)
Sorry to hear that AFG homepage is offline: Their Pilatus XII was also a good simulation.
If you want a CARAVELLE 12 you can use Benoit Gaurant's original one for FS9 , that has already been mentioned. The latest version is the file 'C12bgtv3.zip' in the flightsim.com library.
It is a COMPLETE aircraft ! (with Air Inter and Sterling liveries) The model is not quite as good as the AFG, but it is nevertheless EXCELLENT ! And it has full CAT 3 AUTOLAND capability !
I fly it in FSX . As the original Caravelle 12 panel does not work well in FSX, I use the panel (and sounds) of the Caravelle 10 which you can get here on HJG. This combination work's quite well in FSX !
Checking it again, that version I am using. Only to add, that it comes with a very comprehensive flight manual also. The only deficiency I noted comparing it with the AFG models was an uncomfortable slow reaction of the elevator trim.
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 12, 2014 21:24:37 GMT
The last news I received was to the effect that the CARAVELLE project was definitely continuing .... and there was even a possibility that an FSX version of it "might" eventually become available too .... but .... no promises were ever made
HOWEVER .... I've not received any further notice .... and I don't, really, consider it appropriate to persue things either since HJG only "hosts" but "does not" own the CARAVELLE project and therefore "is not" responsible for its development.
I feel it should, perhaps, be remembered that despite considerable public interest (and badgering) thoughout its pre-release development, it took the developer quite a long time to release each of the original CARAVELLE project members (all of which are currently hosted by HJG) .... and which was probably a "GOOD THING" too since when they were eventually released these projects were as near-perfect as it is possible to expect any freeware simulation to be .... and which is likely due to the considerable time/effort applied by the developer/s in order to fine-tune everything to their own satisfaction.
Whilst interest in this particular project "IS" always appreciated I also feel it should be remembered that these CARAVELLE simulations aren't simply model and texture projects only. They're actually "separate" FDE, panel/guages, and sound/audio projects (developed by more than just one individual .... and partly outside the original CARAVELLE development team too) all rolled into one .... each part of which can take take "a considerable period of time" to perfect .... and more-so considering some developers work according their personal convenience only, so, despite expectations, of some, they're really under "no obligation" to anyone
"IF" the CARAVELLE project representative wishes to make a statement (anytime) as to the status of this particular project .... THEN .... he's most welcome to do so, but, I think it's fair/right/best to say that most FS freewware projects (at least those produced or hosted by HJG) appear when they're "READY"
Post by Klaus Hullermann on Jun 1, 2014 19:54:39 GMT
the older Caravelles here at HJG (series I/IA, III, VI-N) have that parachute braking you're asking for. The later series (VI-R and 10R) doesn't have that parachute braking, because they have reverse thrust and don't need that parachute anymore.
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 1, 2014 21:19:40 GMT
The following extract (in support of Herman's query) is from my online/forum based manual/CARAVELLE PANEL INSTALLATION & HANDLING NOTES ....
All landings/touchdowns should be flown manually.
The AP system should be selected "OFF" at between 50 FT and 100 FT prior to touchdown .... and the landing then completed manually. Power should be retarded to idle at between 10 FT and 20 FT above the RWY .... and the ROD decent then reduced to no more than 100 FPM to 200 FPM to ensure relatively smooth touchdowns and to avoid bouncing the aircraft.
Spoilers should be deployed as soon as both maingear make ground contact .... CARAVELLE 6N and later versions only. PLEASE NOTE .... CARAVELLE 1/1A, and 3 aircraft were not equipped with wing spoilers and featured air brakes only.
Reverse thrust should be applied (keyboard command "F2" .... CARAVELLE 6R and later versions only. PLEASE NOTE .... CARAVELLE 1/1A, 3, and 6N aircraft were not equipped with engine thrust reversers. These aircraft relied upon a drag-chute in order to assist desceleration after landing. The drag-chute is represented within this simulation. It should be deployed (mouse click the large red drag shoot deployment lever located at the center of the main panel) as soon as all 3 landing gear are settled on the RWY and the aircrafts engines almost fully idled. The drag-chute lever is visible in the following image ....
Upon deployment the drag-chute animation appears as follows ....
Mouse clicking the drag-chute lever a 2nd time cancels this animation.
CARAVELLE 6R aircraft, and all subsequent models, were equipped with engine thrust reversers. Reverse thrust should be applied (keyboard command "F2" after Spoiler deployment and as soon as all 3 landing gear are settled on the RWY and the aircrafts engines almost fully idled.
AP controlled auto-landings are possible .... but .... will be "firm" .... if successful .... and may result a crash.
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 22, 2016 20:59:55 GMT
We've been working on the -10B3 throughout the early part of this year .... that's the 3D new model, 3 panel versions for it, as well as the FDE, and a PSD, along with a possibly a soundpack update/exchange too .... BUT .... like any other project (and we've a few in progress at the moment) we can only work on these as time, and RW circumstances, permit
Esa, and Ari, like me also, are just "pretty busy" people
Here's a brief report on the CARAVELLE 10B3 which I presented on the HJG SCREENSHOTS forum page a number of weeks ago ....