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Post by anels9 on May 10, 2013 19:40:03 GMT
So looking at all pics available of this new livery, yours appears to be accurate. and yes the tail colours are very slightly different as seen in the two pics i provided at the top of the thread.
will you be doing the proper stage III HK? and also on the two bits of metal that make the reverser work, 3/4 of it is blue. and also the engine pylons are white as are the top and bottom of the wing. youll also note that part of the leading or all of the l/e are white
also on the rear the engine theres a small portion of the engine thats left silver/metal
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 10, 2013 21:21:48 GMT
Comparing .... and even relying upon .... photographs is often how misinterpretations may come about.
I very much doubt that the colours would differ from side-to-side.
As a ("semj-professional") specialist in civil aviation photography for 34 years .... I can assure folk that different lighting/weather effects on different days .... and using different film stock (showing my age and lengevity in this business now) and exposure .... and relying different printing media too .... can, and does, influence what one sees in the form of any printed, or otherwise viewable, image and/or otherwise influence one perception of details such as colours/shades.
"IF" it were up to me (which it's not) then I'd encourage reproducing both sides/"colours" equally .... since it's extremnly unlikely these colours/shades would, actually, physically differ.
In addition to this .... the 3D model used for this particular B707texture needs to be that of the "HK3" B707-320C version and not any of the JT3D powered versions. The "HK3" model features the best, if not correct, engine nacelle type for this particular subject.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by +mrfaosfx on May 10, 2013 23:15:12 GMT
Comparing .... and even relying upon .... photographs is often how misinterpretations may come about. I very much doubt that the colours would differ from side-to-side. As a ("semj-professional") specialist in civil aviation photography for 34 years .... I can assure folk that different lighting/weather effects on different days .... and using different film stock (showing my age and lengevity in this business now) and exposure .... and relying different printing media too .... can, and does, influence what one sees in the form of any printed, or otherwise viewable, image and/or otherwise influence one perception of details such as colours/shades. "IF" it were up to me (which it's not) then I'd encourage reproducing both sides/"colours" equally .... since it's extremnly unlikely these colours/shades would, actually, physically differ. In addition to this .... the 3D model used for this particular B707texture needs to be that of the "HK3" B707-320C version and not any of the JT3D powered versions. The "HK3" model features the best, if not correct, engine nacelle type for this particular subject. Mark C AKL/NZ This model is only a preview, I did not announce a FINAL product. What else am I to rely upon if we don't have the actual aircraft to look at? All we have is photographs, I do understand it is highly unlikely that the colors may differ but since I do not know anything about this aircraft and it appears that is very RECENT, there might be a possibility that it is not yet fully painted. I have seen other liveries and the symbol that is on the right of the tail, is on both sides and not one. I will make the tail of equal colors but then again ... on its accuracy I cannot speak unless I actually had the precise paint identification numbers used on the livery as well as the gradient levels and transition from one color to the other! I paint what my eyes see...this is the REASON why the SPIRIT livery is still being painted, many photographs reveal different shades of colors ... I have not posted any previews of that until I believe I have it close enough that I won't get torched with a flame thrower. Oh yeah, almost forgot to point out... The layout textures for the windows on the left side of the fuselage are out of alignment with the full fuselage .psd file, let me know if should make a correction and submit it for approval to you and Tony. I saw this at the last minute after I laid out the textures and I was forced to make a last minute correction on the left black stripe because I had to delete the windows to uncover the ones beneath the layout textures [if I'm making any sense at all here]...the alignment is off by about 2 spaces vertically other than that, the paint kit is very well put together, kudos to whoever created it! |
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Post by +mrfaosfx on May 11, 2013 0:07:53 GMT
Not to worry on the issue, it seems I accidentally moved the window layer some how, *bang my head on the wall on that one* I'm working on this livery this very moment, now featuring the HK3 model, another preview and I believe everything should be alright. Oh Mark, what will you do after your departure from here? Things won't be the same with out you bud.  |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 11, 2013 0:09:51 GMT
"SORRY RAFAEL .... I accidentally deleted my own posting due to interruptions here .... so our postings are, now, appearing out ot of sequence, but which (thnks to NOTE PAD) was as is quoted below
Mark C
AKL/N
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 11, 2013 0:17:56 GMT
It's not my departure from HJG that I was referring to .... but rather .... my departure from "HERE"/New Zealand. I'm going back to Bogota/Colombia for another wee while  .... and then taking on Tucson/Arizona (Pima Air Museum), Grand Canyon (for the 2nd time), and Los Angeles (Chino Air Museum, USS IOWA .... for the 2nd time also along with both the QUEEN MARY, and the Russian SCORPION CLASS submarine) .... all going well  Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by +mrfaosfx on May 11, 2013 0:48:20 GMT
Wow!!  that is a dream vacation! I think I need one of those myself sometime. So much nicer to see the world with your own eyes. |
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Post by +mrfaosfx on May 11, 2013 0:55:42 GMT
So looking at all pics available of this new livery, yours appears to be accurate. and yes the tail colours are very slightly different as seen in the two pics i provided at the top of the thread. will you be doing the proper stage III HK? and also on the two bits of metal that make the reverser work, 3/4 of it is blue. and also the engine pylons are white as are the top and bottom of the wing. youll also note that part of the leading or all of the l/e are white also on the rear the engine theres a small portion of the engine thats left silver/metal Working on the changes...  A question about the paint kit... I just had a go in flight simulator but I noticed there are NO engine textures for the HK3 model, there are pylon textures but no engine textures...I looked in the painkits to verify if I had downloaded the right stuff but there is no texture for engines on the hk3 model ... any idea where I can find them? |
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Post by +mrfaosfx on May 11, 2013 3:51:46 GMT
Since I could not find any textures [in the paintkit for hk3] I found some textures in the following package...
AIR MEMPHIS
2004 - SU-AVZ - 707-336C
Textures by Gary Carlson
Last Updated: 12 Dec 2006
If it is OK with Gary, I will paint these and modify the alphas as needed for this paint.
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Post by anels9 on May 11, 2013 5:39:54 GMT
Wow that sounds like a fantastic vacation Mark! Sounds good rafael, look forward to more previews |
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on May 11, 2013 7:01:53 GMT
Looking very nice, re the engines modify whatever you want Mark, I envy you, I have for some time dreamed of going to the Tucson museum |
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Post by +mrfaosfx on May 11, 2013 7:23:09 GMT
I could not modify Gary's textures but I did create my own master texture templates using his. I re-riveted and re-created every single line, shadows, shading, etc...what a PITA.
I'll show the results tomorrow I'm going to bed now.
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Post by anels9 on May 11, 2013 7:33:49 GMT
Thanks for all your effort and work rafael. look forward to the previews mate! |
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Post by +mrfaosfx on May 11, 2013 21:41:55 GMT
Thanks for all your effort and work rafael. look forward to the previews mate! HK3 model now,  White wings, tail colors made equal on both sides as suggested by Mark. Just have to finish off the slats and engine pylons, that is going to take some time as I'm forced to re-create the texture template since I have to paint them white, it should be done today. -Raf |
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Post by +mrfaosfx on May 12, 2013 1:51:26 GMT
Ok, it's done!
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.... and my commentary was merely in response to your own ....
.... and then taking on Tucson/Arizona (Pima Air Museum), Grand Canyon (for the 2nd time), and Los Angeles (Chino Air Museum, USS IOWA .... for the 2nd time also along with both the QUEEN MARY, and the Russian SCORPION CLASS submarine) .... all going well 
