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Post by km7276 on Sept 22, 2015 22:48:34 GMT
Greetings all,
I downloaded the b707-700 panel for my KC-135R model however in FSX when this panel loads it looks different then the pictures in the downloads area.
The forward view seems tilted or angled up and one can only see the tops of the hangers, buildings, and sky instead of at least a bit of the runway. The Windshield wipers are down under the panel display area about the area of the artificial horizon gauge.
Basically it seems the panel is set a bit high. Is this a normal issue in FSX or is there a way for me to correct this?
I have followed to the letter on the install for this aircraft to FSX so curious what my issue is.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 22, 2015 23:06:09 GMT
I can´t relate to why you say the panel looks different to that displayed per its preview image .... this´s what you should be seeing per the currently downloadable HJG B707-700 panel ....  The above image is a FS night-time shot .... but .... it´s presentation should more-or-less mirror this following image of the HJG supplied E3-D panel .... albeit that this´s an F/O view, but, which is similar (of not identical) to that provided within the HJG B707-700 panel also .....  Above is what you should be seeing. In respect of the view perspective problem you´ve described .... I´d say that you´ve probably forgotten to activated the "FSX" specific version of the PANEL.CFG file contained within the panel folder. Each of the HJG B707 panel contains 2 PANEL.CFG files .... one named PANEL.CFG .... and the other named PANEL_FSX.CFG. These panels each download with the PANEL.CFG version activated, but, which is for FS2004 use only. If youre intending to use these panels in FSX .... then .... you should delete the PANEL.CFG (for fS2004) .... then .... rename the ramaining PANEL_FSX.CFG to read "PANEL.CFG". Failure to do this .... or do this correctly .... may well result in the default panel interior view being elevated well above the FS foreground and horizon. PLEASE NOTE: Depending of the file naming cconvention associated with your PC/WINDOWS version, then, you may not need to add the "dot (.) CFG" suffix to the file name. Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by km7276 on Sept 23, 2015 2:09:06 GMT
well I redownloaded the panel, deleted the FS2004 panel.cfg and renamed the FSX one to panel.cfg put the panel.b707-700 panel folder back into the FSFSCONV after deleting the existing folder there, and I still have the same issues... wipers are still down near the artificial horizon and the panel sight line is still to high to see anything of the tarmac.
Running FSX on a Windows 10 however had the same issues on Win 8.
Included is a picture of what I see when it loads.... you can see through the somewhat transparency in the panel the hangers, tarmac, and the wipers down low. However one still cannot see any of the tarmac from this panel without going to an exterior view.
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Post by Herman on Sept 23, 2015 13:34:41 GMT
Failing Marks suggestion usually what I need to do quite often is to use the Control plus Q keys in order to adjust the panel view ( seat up).
Herman
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Post by Dee Waldron - HJG on Sept 23, 2015 13:57:11 GMT
It appears you are using a wide screen monitor?
Does FSX support that?
I guess Dan is the man to jump in here and help you sort this out. I'm sure he'll be along soon.
Dee
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 23, 2015 14:22:18 GMT
Thanks Herman .... you just stole part of my thunder  UMMM .... if you´ve activated (by correctly renaming) the FSX specific PANEL.CFG file .... "in accordance with file naming conventions that apply to you PC/OS" .... then this action "should" have been sufficient to resolve your view perspective issue. Please note my above comment .... "in accordance with file naming conventions that apply to you PC/OS" .... and as also communicated within my first response too because this "could be" quite significant in your particular case. On some systems the like of both PANEL.CFG (and AiRCRAFT.CFG too) files will simply display as "PANEL" (or "AIRCRAFT") and without their "dot CFG" suffix. How do these filew display with other aircraft/panel installatios on your system ? Do these files display with or without their "dot CFG suffix" .... is what i´m asking ? "IF" these files appear named as simply "PANEL" (or "AIRCRAFT") only .... then .... you should not need to add the suffix... adding it will likely result in your view perspective issue not being resolved in FSX, or rather, the panel simply not working. However .... and as I hope I´ve sufficiently clarified above .... if these files with other installation on your systm appear with their "dot CFG" (i.e. "PANEL.CFG" and "AIRCRAFT.CFG"), then, you will need to add it. "IF" you feel you´ve attrende to everything correctly, but, are still experiencing any issue, then, try Hermans keyboard command advice .... which should elvate the seat/view perspective to promote moe of the outside environment being visible. I don´t know why you´re not seeing "a portion" of the windshield wiper mechanism when it´s stowed .... as is evident within your image. "AT A GUESS ONLY" .... this could be a graphic related issue with you card or its drivers .... I simply dont know .... this´s never bee reported before ao far as I can recall. What happens .... can you see any wiper anumation, at all, when the windshield wipers are selected "ON" (at various speeeds) using the "WINSDSHIELD WIPERS" knob located on the O/H sub panel ? I´m using a widescreen monitor, here in Colombia, and the windshield wiper mechanisms "IS" visible .... and "does" animate normally when selcted "ON". Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 23, 2015 14:23:01 GMT
Just for the record .... A selection of different HJG B707/720/C135 TYPE panel assignment images showing the extent of what "should" be seen in respect ofthe outside environment/view perspective when used with any of the current HJG B707/720/C135 TYPE simulations ....        .... admittedly taken using FS2004, but, FSX (so far as I´m aware) shouldn´t pose any major differences. BUT AGAIN .... try Hermans advice if your issue persists in the light of your being certain everything else´s been correctly attended to  ONCE AGAIN ALSO .... I´ve no opinion to offer in regard to the absence of your windshield wipers .... beyond what I´ve already hinted. Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by km7276 on Sept 23, 2015 18:27:47 GMT
Well I know that I have the .cfg question on the mark... I have been a aircraft repainter since 2003 and have dealt with many changes, additions, and deletions within those files, so I have gotten pretty good at knowing my way around the FS folder system. So I know I can say with certainty that I have the panel in the right location, with the proper FSX style .cfg and file extension. To the Widescreen question, I know I have widescreen turned on in the FSX.cfg ("checked and verified") and it does display a wider aspect compared to it turned off. I also know I am running the latest and most current drivers for my Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 Video card.
I have this issue with all of my HJG panels that I have for the various HJG aircraft I posses.... KC-135A and R models: B367-80 and B707-700 panels, EC-135 as well with the B707-120B 1965 panel. These panels are the only panels that I have currently with these strange issues, to this point. (With the lack of tarmac view and wipers in the wrong location to the aspect of the panel). However that comment is biased since I normally as a rule use the Virtual cockpit on my flights... since the .mdl's for these aircraft are native for FS2004 and don't have the interior mapping done with a interior .mdl there is no VC just the standard 2D panel. So these are the only aircraft I have installed that use 2D panels so I cannot say with certainty that these are the only panels with strange issues on my computer setup, however I have many FS2004 "conversion" aircraft installed an no issues thus far, but again these models have a VC cockpit so again I am at a loss on why the HJG panels are different.
I will try the comment with the (control+Q) keyboard command... perhaps this will solve the sight level aspect issues I have. (I will comment back if this indeed works or not). As to the wipers, again I will try to cycle the animations and see if these operate as well.
Thanks a million for the help thus far and hopefully we can get this odd issue worked out. These C135 model aircraft are quite stunning and I love the attention to detail made with them. These are the best of this model class I have seen to date within the FS community for freeware aircraft!!!
Cheers,
Kevin
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Post by km7276 on Sept 23, 2015 19:26:48 GMT
Reporting back on previous questions......
I did try the wiper animations.... they do indeed work as intended and cycle nicely. Just when at the off or park position they again stow away well down behind the panel. Again near the airspeed and artificial horizon gauges.
I also found that the (control+Q) does also work. However when cycling through interior and exterior viewpoints it defaults back to the upward view angle and one would have to repeat the ctrl+Q process again. Is there a way to keep it set or does one always have to keep moving the "seat"? For once airborne there would be no reference point as to how to set it. Landings would again be challenging and stressful! haha!!
On another note.... I found when moving the viewpoints within the 2D cockpit that the fwd left, fwd right, right, left, rear, and other .bmp's were also missing. Just an open view as if one was outside the aircraft looking in those directions. In VC mode all are missing, but without a VC this would be understandably missing.
I tested all three of the models I posses (KC-135A & R's, and the EC-135) and I found that these same panel and view issues are occurring on every model of them,
However on testing many "FS 2004 converted" aircraft I did find that any model that didn't have a VC cockpit arrangement in the panel.cfg did not show these side views and also had the high looking vantage point (I found I have two more little used former FS2004 aircraft with no VC and all had the same issues). So I can say with certainty that it is not just the HJG panels that have the viewpoint issues. I couldn't test the wipers since these models did not have this nice addition.
Any clues as to how to fix this strange dilemma?
Cheers,
Kevin
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 23, 2015 19:53:25 GMT
OK .... I can at least confirm this much for you .... In FSX, the flightdeck interior/panel side views you mention (in fact these details within any FSX "portable" HJG panel equipped with such .... like the B727´s and DC8´s), "do not" work .... so .... you will be confrontd with open environmental spaces in their absence. These side views work in FS2004 only. This much, at least, "IS" documented/a common known fact  As for the rest .... I, myself, are out of answets and can´t, really, advise further  Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by km7276 on Sept 23, 2015 20:11:54 GMT
Ahhhh ok..... so one mystery is solved.... well the missing views in the 2D panel are no issue.... would love to get the "seat height" dilemma solved.... if the view out the front works fine then everything else is trivial in my mind.... just eye candy...
I appreciate your help Mark and if I learn anymore on my own research into this I will advise!
Cheers,
Kevin
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 23, 2015 20:50:34 GMT
"THANKS" for that Kevin .... sharing experiences, when it comes to this sort of thing (and issues I´m not entirely familiar with), is a always a part of what these forum pages are all about .... in the hope that knowldge can be pooled and re resolution, or greater understanding, then "possibly" appreciated. Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by Herman on Sept 24, 2015 15:15:48 GMT
Being at home again now, and having access to my Flight Sim I am able to do some experimenting into this issue.
Besides what I have already mentioned above, I seem to recall some other factors, but am unable to recall at the moment, any particulars, but I will certainly report back soon.
I have the 707-220 installed in FSX and I also have the WS monitor.
Herman
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Post by Herman on Sept 24, 2015 23:44:13 GMT
Here is what comes up when selecting the following HJG FSX aircraft panel views.It's not the 707-700 or KC-135, but that should really not matter I believe. Boeing 707-220.  Left side view.  Boeing 720B.  Boeing 727-200.  Boeing 717.  I also checked a few other non HJG aircraft which gave similar results. I was not able to get any eye views that showed a result as shown in the image of the 707-700. I know this issue has come up before but I was unable to find it using our search feature. Below is a link that was provided by Dan some time ago.Under the Eye View link are some suggestions barelybad.com/FSX/FSXintro.htm Herman |
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Post by Herman on Sept 25, 2015 15:04:13 GMT
In addition to the above comments a couple of other comments and observations.
Kevin mentioned having checked "on" the wide screen in FSX.cfg. I don't recall doing that at all, but I will have to check that.Could this be the cause of his issues???
I also recall that at some point in time, probably a few months ago,I noticed that what used to be my "Aircraft" files changed to "Aircraft.cfg". I was a bit surprised at the time I first noticed it,but did not know what caused this change. Since then, it appears, that all my FSX aircraft panel views have not required any major adjustments.
Herman
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