Short lived SHAMU!

[alex94]

Could someone please do the shamu livery on the kc-135a model please. Its representd on the E model but not the A or R model.


Also in this close up, you can tell the top layer is a dark green but other photos it looks like a grey. Can anyone confirm whether there was two different types of shamu livery?

Kind regards


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[Tony Madge - HJG]

Not sure if anyone will take this on Alex as we have it in another version as you stated, have you ever thought of taking up painting Alex? Maybe if you soyou could then take on some of these subjects for HJG?

[Ben Hartmann - HJG]

Jan 16, 2018 14:39:13 GMT Tony Madge - HJG said:

Not sure if anyone will take this on Alex as we have it in another version as you stated, have you ever thought of taking up painting Alex? Maybe if you soyou could then take on some of these subjects for HJG?

If we use the standard template as provided by Gary Carlson....this is a pretty quick job. I’ll do this one. It’ll have to wait until the weekend though. And no Alex it was green.

[alex94]

Jan 16, 2018 14:39:13 GMT Tony Madge - HJG said:

Not sure if anyone will take this on Alex as we have it in another version as you stated, have you ever thought of taking up painting Alex? Maybe if you soyou could then take on some of these subjects for HJG?

I have tony on many occasions. I’m even speaking to someone at the moment about trying again. I just can’t kee seem to grasp it :/

If you have any tips or tutorials yourself, feel free to share your knowledge:)

[alex94]

Jan 16, 2018 16:50:08 GMT Ben Hartmann - HJG said:

Jan 16, 2018 14:39:13 GMT Tony Madge - HJG said:

Not sure if anyone will take this on Alex as we have it in another version as you stated, have you ever thought of taking up painting Alex? Maybe if you soyou could then take on some of these subjects for HJG?

If we use the standard template as provided by Gary Carlson....this is a pretty quick job. I’ll do this one. It’ll have to wait until the weekend though. And no Alex it was green.


Thank you Ben. And yeah wasn’t sure exactly about the colour myself but thanks for clarifying:)

[Mike Monce - HJG]

LOL, my first thought on reading this topic title was this:

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Mike

[christrott]

Jan 16, 2018 16:50:08 GMT Ben Hartmann - HJG said:

no Alex it was green.

Are you talking about the paint? The "Shamu" scheme is a 2-tone grey. There is a little bit of a green hue to it as it aged, but the color codes are FS 36081 (AMC Grey) and FS 16473 (ADC Grey). The reason most think it was green is because of poor color balance on photos of the time for whatever reason had a wierd color balance in the yellow hues which was exasperated when scanned, so many of the pictures available online are not accurate representations.

[alex94]

Yeah that makes sense as there’s a few photos (some I’ve included) that you can easily see is grey. But in the first photo it’s obviously green.

Anyway I’ll leave it up to Ben as he’s the expert and see what he comes up with

[Ben Hartmann - HJG]

Jan 17, 2018 4:38:36 GMT alex94 said:

Yeah that makes sense as there’s a few photos (some I’ve included) that you can easily see is grey. But in the first photo it’s obviously green.

Anyway I’ll leave it up to Ben as he’s the expert and see what he comes up with

I could of sworn the original Gary Carlson shamu paint scheme was green? Correct me if I’m wrong. Looks green to me

[alex94]

Yep looks green

[christrott]

If Gary made the color green, then he unfortunately did it wrong. There was never a green Shamu. I know that for most airline paint schemes we have to work off of photos, but with most USAF and USN schemes, we have the actual FS values for the colors which give true RGB values to use, so there should be no reason to have a question on the color.

[alex94]

We’ll see what Ben has come up with when he’s got something to show Chris

[Tony Madge - HJG]

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This one looks very green to me?

[christrott]

Again, it's the photo. The yellow balance is off, making grey look more green. The giveaway is that the nose wheel rim is a BRIGHT WHITE (and is nearly blinding in the sunlight) and looks almost eggshell in the picture while the other whites (the insignia and the Pegasus) are almost cream colored. Also, if you look at the yellow chocks in the background, they look muddled, not bright as they should be. Those things GLOW in the sunlight, not just look like any old parking lot parking rail.

Again, this doesn't take away from the photo itself, it's a problem with the way it was processed (developed) and then how that reacts to the harsh light of a scanner, which makes it even worse.

[Ben Hartmann - HJG]

Jan 18, 2018 10:13:54 GMT christrott said:

Again, it's the photo. The yellow balance is off, making grey look more green. The giveaway is that the nose wheel rim is a BRIGHT WHITE (and is nearly blinding in the sunlight) and looks almost eggshell in the picture while the other whites (the insignia and the Pegasus) are almost cream colored. Also, if you look at the yellow chocks in the background, they look muddled, not bright as they should be. Those things GLOW in the sunlight, not just look like any old parking lot parking rail.

Again, this doesn't take away from the photo itself, it's a problem with the way it was processed (developed) and then how that reacts to the harsh light of a scanner, which makes it even worse.

I wonder if I’ll have to axe Gary’s original livery and get it replaced with a more up to date version (some of you may remember I did an entire American Airlines fleet replacement to replace Michael Verlin’s original HJG FS2002 textures). Again I will have to seek permissions from the powers that be before I undertake such a task.