New DC-10 Panel Preparations - "PHASE 1 & 2"

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

There´s things we can do (easily) .... and other things we´d like to be able to do "but can´t" (often for a multitude of different reasons) .... SO .... we´re often forced to find contentment somwhere between both extremes .... THEN .... pass our satisfaction on to everyone else in the hope they´ll be equally content with what we´re "able to" offer.


I wanted to say that (above) first .... as it´s a point I´ll revist upon the conclusion of this presentation


ANYWAY ....


The first stage in preparing for our new DC-10 panel project release is aircraft base pack and FDE editing.

This´s essential due to some of the systems being implemented into these new panels and that require FDE adjustments in order for these additional features to be able to work .... BUT .... this base pack editing isn´t confined to just FDE modifications alone .... because given what we´re "able to do", using the (incomplete) source code we inherited several years ago, we´ve also managed to edit a few more details associated with the 3D DC-10 models (and which is the 2nd stage of this update/expansion) within each base pack and which were (we feel) in need of attention .... SO .... when our new DC-10 panel project is eventually released (and I must stress we´re not hurrying) it´ll be accompanied by a re-release of each of our base packs for these simulations .... which will contain not only new FDE but 3D models revisions for each DC-10´version too.

This´s the 2nd round of updates we´ve been able to apply to these models since we first released the DC-10 here during December 2015 .... the last round model updates (during 2016) having been focussed on improving some engine related features and adding animated/working cargo doors to some models which didn´t previously feature these details.

Specifically .... and on this occasion .... it´s the landing gear which has come under scrutiny during this latest round of model edits. The gap which was noted to exist between the underwing and lower fuselage gear bay doors has now been repaired: And the inside surfaces of the gear bay doors (on some models only .... since not all of these required precisely the same treatment) have been darkened somewhat also given some of these did previously appear way too light.

PLEASE NOTE: "None" of the current 3D model file names have been changed and "no" additional models among any of our current DC-10 base pack variants have been added .... at this stage.

The following is a quick ensemble showing each of the new/edited models supporting some of current, and not yet released, textures/liveries for these simulations ....


DC-10-10 EARLY
"pre-modification"





DC-10-10 LATE
"post modification"





DC-10-10CF EARLY
"pre-modification convertible - PAX configuration"



DC-10-10CF LATE
"post modification convertible - PAX configuration"



DC-10-10CF LATE
"post-modificication - PURE FREIGHT configuration/conversion"





DC-10-15
"AEROMEXICO & MEXICANA DE AVIACION hot/high operations configuration"





DC-10-30
"original production - PAX configuration"





DC-10-30 LATE
"later production/modified - PAX configuration"





DC-10-30CF/F
"original production convertible - PAX configuration"



DC-10-30CF/F LATE
"late production/modifed convertible - PAX configuration"



DC-10-30CF/F
"orginal production convertible - PURE FREIGHT configuration/conversion"



DC-10-30CF/F LATE
"later production/modifed convertible - PURE FREIGHT configuration/conversion"



DC-10-30ER
"extended range original production/conversion - PAX configuration"





DC-10-40
"NORTHWEST AIRLINES - PAX configuration"





DC-10-40D
"JAPAN AIRLINES domestic/regional - PAX configuration"





DC-10-40F
"High Gross Weight configuration - PURE FREIGHT ex JAL conversion"





DC-10-40F
"low Gross Weight configuration - PURE FREIGHT ex JAL conversion"





PLEASE NOTE: All DC-10-40F textures may be used with either DC-10-40F HGW (CLG equipped) and DC-10-40F LGW (non-CLG equipped) aircraft base pack models .... as is apparent per the above images featuring each type. In reality the CLG on these, and other CLG equipped DC-10´s, could be used, or removed, or even uplocked too and in accordance with the weight/payload dictates of any particular DC-10 operation.


DC-10-40I
"JAPAN AIRLINES intercontinental - PAX configuration"





AND NOW TO COMPLETE A FULL 360*/CIRCLE ....


Given the resources we inherited several years ago (and it´s the completeness or incompletenes of this sort of data which ultimately dictates what we can and can´t do) .... we´re content with what we´ve been able to achieve and are preparing to re-release.

These models aren´t entirely new productions and don´t represent the latest or ground breaking new FS model technology though .... and we "DO" need to be frank/honest about that .... BUT .... they do represent "further improvements" over what we currently host (minor or cosmetic though some of these improvements may be) .... and as such we hope everyone will be content with our own stated contentment thus far.

I won´t rule out the posiblity of further model editing in the future (we´re remaining tight-lipped in regard to this though .... so kindly don´t ask .... because you won´t get an answer from me ) .... but once again .... what we´ll soon be offering "IS" the best we can achieve .... for the time being.

I´ll add a similar separate presentation of each of our new DC-10 panels later on .... when I can/"at my own personal convenience" since we´re all "pretty busy" behind the scenes here at the moment .... this DC-10 project (composed of 3 separate phases) being "just one of" some 5 projects currently advancing for future HJG release .... and "NO" I won´t be lured into elaborating upon what some of these other projects might be either (so again please don´t ask ) .... other than my stating "NONE" of these have yet been hinted here so far

"SPECIAL THANKS" to our highly talented and indispensible George CARTY for his magnificent efforts over the past "almost 3 years" (that´s how long some projects need to take in order to be developed properly) for his "MUCH APPRECIATED" efforts so far

I also want to thank "DC-10BOY/Stan" .... and "a certain group of retired real world ex-airline F/E´s" also .... for their invaluable assistance to us over the necessarily lengthy re-compilation period for this DC-10 project

Mark C
BOG/CO

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

KEY/GUIDE TO ABOVE REFERENCED DC-10 MODEL/TYPE CONFIGURATIONS ....


DC-10-10 EARLY (original production/pre 1980 configuration)



- GE CF6-6 turbofan engines.
- Splitter Plates on all 3 engine exhaust ends/original/unmodified hot end reverser configuration.
- No CLG unit.
- Pure PAX US domestic configuration.


DC-10-10 LATE (post 1980 configuration)



- GE CF6-6 turbofan engines.
- Long silencer on all 3 engine exhaust ends (later modified configuration - Splitter Plates and hot end reverser mechanism removed).
- No CLG unit.
- Pure PAX US domestic configuration.


DC-10-10CF/F EARLY (original production/pre 1980 configuration)



- GE CF6-6 turbofan engines.
- Splitter Plates on all 3 engine exhaust ends/original/unmodified hot end reverser configuration.
- Port side forward fuselage maindeck cargo door equipped.
- No CLG unit.
- Convertible PAX/freighter or pure freighter conversion US domestic configuration.


DC-10-10CF/F LATE (post 1980 configuration)



- GE CF6-6 turbofan engines.
Long silencer on all 3 engine exhaust ends (later modified configuration - Splitter Plates and hot end reverser mechanism removed).
- Port side forward fuselage maindeck cargo door equipped.
- No CLG unit.
- Convertible PAX/freighter or pure freighter conversion US domestic configuration.


DC-10-15



- GE CF6-50C turbofan engines.
- Short engine exhaust pipes/no hot end reverser (standard on all DC-10-15's) with exposed silencer.
- No CLG unit.
- Pure PAX hot/high performaance version (basic DC-10-10 late/modified configuration - increased weight and power) .... unique to AEROMEXICO and MEXICANA operations.


DC-10-30 (pre 1978 production)



- GE CF6-50C turbofan engines (intercontinental configuration).
- Long/original full pylon length engine exhaust pipes/original hot end reverser mechanism on all 3 engines.
- CLG equipped.
- Pure PAX interncontinental configuration.


DC-10-30 LATE (post 1978 production/modified)



- GE CF6-50C turbofan engines.
- Short engine exhaust pipes/no hot end reverser with exposed silencer.
- CLG equipped.
- Pure PAX interncontinental configuration.


DC-10-30CF (pre 1978 production)



- GE CF6-50C turbofan engines.
- Long/original full pylon length engine exhaust pipes/original hot end reverser mechanism on all 3 engines.
- Port side forward fuselage maindeck cargo door equipped.
- CLG equipped.
- Convertible PAX/freighter or pure freighter conversion interncontinental configuration.


DC-10-30CF LATE (post 1978 production/modified)



- GE CF6-50C turbofan engines.
- Short engine exhaust pipes/no hot end reverser with exposed silencer.
- Port side forward fuselage maindeck cargo door equipped.
- CLG equipped.
- Convertible PAX/freighter or pure freighter conversion interncontinental configuration.


DC-10-30ER



- GE CF6-50C turbofan engines.
- Short engine exhaust pipes/no hot end reverser on all 3 engines (standard on all DC-10-30ER's) with exposed silencer.
- CLG equipped.
- Pure PAX extended range/HGW interncontinental configuration.


DC-10-40



- P&W JT9D-20J turbofan engines
- Bulbous/enlarged intake on # 2/tail engine (only) .... short engine exhaust pipes (no hot end reverser) on all 3 engines with exposed silencer
- CLG equipped
- Pure PAX configuration .... unique to NORTHWEST ORIENT/AIRLINES operations.


DC-10-40D



- P&W JT9D-59A turbofan engines (derated).
- Bulbous/enlarged intake on # 2/tail engine (only) .... short engine exhaust pipes (no hot end reverser) on all 3 engines with consealed silencer.
- No CLG unit (removeable to transition between LGW DC-10-40D and HGW -40I configurations).
- Pure PAX domestic configuration .... unique to JAA and JAL operations.


DC-10-40F HGW



- P&W JT9D-59A turbofan engines
- Bulbous/enlarged intake on # 2/tail engine (only) .... short engine exhaust pipes (no hot end reverser) on all 3 engines with consealed silencer.
- Port side forward fuselage maindeck freight door equipped.
- CLG equipped (removeable to transition between HGW DC-10-40F and LGW -40F configurations)
- HGW pure freighter conversion of former JAL DC-10-40D/I configurations.


DC-10-40F LGW



- P&W JT9D-59A turbofan engines.
- Bulbous/enlarged intake on # 2/tail engine (only) .... short engine exhaust pipes (no hot end reverser) on all 3 engines with consealed silencer.
- Port side forward fuselage maindeck freight door equipped.
- No CLG unit (removeable to transition between LGW DC-10-40F and HGW -40F configurations).
- LGW pure freighter conversion of former JAL DC-10-40D/I configurations.


DC-10-40I



- P&W JT9D-59A turbofan engines.
- Bulbous/enlarged intake on # 2/tail engine (only) .... short engine exhaust pipes (no hot end reverser) on all 3 engines with consealed silencer.
- CLG equipped (removeable to transition between HGW DC-10-40I and LGW -40D configurations).
- Pure PAX intercontinental configuration .... unique to JAA and JAL operations.


Mark C
BOG/CO

[Klaus Hullermann]

Nice news about the DC-10 and great to hear about the progress of this project. I'm sure the new panels and modified models will 'generate' more DC-10 pilots as well as enhance the joy of using the DC-10 you fantastic guys offer even more!!

I can't wait to try her out in my trusty FS9!

You guys are doing a great job (most of you are doing this in your free time) offering quality freeware for FS9 and FSX. Keep this geat webside and work up!!

Klaus

[Trell Brown]

You guys HAVE TO DO SOMETHING about the wingflex on these models. In the FS9 preview window, wings apparently flex upward, but when actually simming, there is no discernible visible flex, but instead, seem to be flexing downwards. Solution?

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

You guys HAVE TO DO SOMETHING

I think my opening line within the very first paragraph .... at the very start of this thread (repeated also within the start of the 2nd paragraph .... if not hinted elswhere within the same text also) .... quite clearly, if not satisfactorily, states the limitations/situation we confront

Furthermore .... what´s presented above (so far) hasn´t even been fully completed yet .... let alone released yet either, so, it may be premature to express any such judgements at this stage given a lot can, and probably will, change .... depending upon what we find we´re able to do as opposed to what we know can´t achieve.

And in any case .... I don´t consider the end user is in any way disadvantaged using what´s currently available or if we find we can´t apply wing flex to the forthcomming project either. We´re clever .... and do try hard (very hard in fact) .... but .... at the end of the day we´re "not" magicians .... and some people do (perhaps) need to understand/accept that


Mark C
BOG/CO

[davem2004]

Hi!


I see we have an image of the Turkish THY DC-10-10. Is that going to be included in the downloads?


Cheers!

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

We actually have 2 (of the 3) variations of THY livery for the DC-10-10 .... among "MANY" others too


TURKISH AIRLINES DC-10-10 TC-JAV "Ankara" (1974)


TURKISH AIRLINES DC-10-10 TC-JAY "Izmir" (1980)



They "WILL" .... eventually .... be released here but only as we can "conveniently" accomodate them among other planned releases.

Mark C
BOG/CO

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

And the testing and developing continue ....

We could (possibly) have tried to make "THIS" particular project a 3rd release for Christmas .... to accompany our B737-300/400/500 project and Mario's AMD MERCURE project also .... BUT .... I was reluctant to want to rush things.


ANYWAY ....

Here's a few images made today .... whilst testing of our latest fine tuning of the auto-land feature (with auto-flare mode) which our "NEW" DC-10 panels will each be equipped with ....

Flap 50 ....V-Ref 145 .... +2* to +3* on the AI .... AP controlled ILS/GS Auto-Approach to landing using "LAND" (auto-land) mode




AP controlled ILS/GS Auto-Approach to landing using "LAND" (auto-land) mode .... commencement of the Auto-Flare to landing .... +3* to +4* on the AI




AP controlled ILS/GS Auto-Approach to landing using "LAND" (auto-land) mode .... touchdown .... auto-Spoiler deployment .... and derotation


Roll-Out after landing .... reverse on all 3



I'm not going to present any imagery of the latest panel developments .... "THAT" will be a surprise later on.

As I mentioned at the very start of this thread .... this particular project isn't just a panel/gauges revision (and which will also be FSX compatible too), but, it's also composed of an FDE upgrade (as part of the panel revision), along with some model/texture related edits as well .... and for what will ultimately become our "V3" DC-10 project.

The final phase of this development, prior to it's release, is our own learning these new panels .... to "a very high level of competence" .... in order to assist our technical support .... as well as compiling what will also, and by necessity, become completely new forum based manuals too.

Once again .... I'm not going to give away too much at this stage and until the release of this project .... so .... I may not answer many, if any, questions in regard to what's actually planned .... all will be revealed "in good time"

This presentation is simply to confirm work "IS" continuing to advance .... and "IS" progressing "VERY WELL".

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[Nathan Ford - HJG]

Thank you Mark for the updates, this is all very exciting 

Cheers,

Nathan.

[alex94]

What does it mean when the core reverser is removed?

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

That text (prepared some years ago) contains an error .... which was unfortunatelty reproduced per copy & paste.

It should have been worded "hot end reverser removed" or "hot end reverser modification" (not core reverser removal) .... as applies to the DC-10-10 and DC-10-30 (only) respectively.

The offending text has now been edited.

It simply means the reverser mechanism on the engine hot/exhaust end/s (which was originally in addition to the core/nacelle portions) was "removed".

This hot end reverser mechanism was removed from all DC-10-10's by 1980. All early production DC-10-30's were built with it (a different system than was used on the DC-10-10) .... but .... all late production DC-10-30's (and KC-10's) were built without it .... then .... some early production DC-10-30's were modified to dispense with it/the original hot end reverser mechanism portion thus relying on the core reverser portion only and which was still a very effective means of deceleration due to the power attributes of the GE CF6-6 and CF6-50 turbofan.

Mark C
AkL/NZ

[George Carty - HJG]

There's also a mistake with the image on the line after DC-10-30 LATE (post 1978 production/modified...

George

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

That particular text presentation ....

"DC-10-30 LATE (post 1978 production/modified"

.... is intentional .... to cover both those aircraft built "after 1978" .... as well as those earlier production aircraft that were modified from around the same time

I have now fixed the faulty image link though (for the Dc-10-30 LATE) .... if that's what you were referring to

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[George Carty - HJG]

Jan 18, 2018 8:57:00 GMT aerofoto - HJG Admin said:

I have now fixed the faulty image link though (for the Dc-10-30 LATE) .... if that's what you were referring to

That's mainly what I meant, but I also meant the missing closing bracket...

George

[alex94]

Hi mark thanks for clarification. Also not sure if you've seen this article before? Goes into depth in the differnt -10 variants. The engine section is interesting to see the different details

www.airlinercafe.com/page.php?id=392